Fresh Problem with the Ark

It's news to me that all fish species - not to mention coral - could have survived sudden radical salinization, temperature, and silt density changes. It's news to the fish, too.Do you really believe that the fish and coral that would die wholesale if you changed any one of those three things now could survive it then? Or do you just not know anything about fish species? At this point the latter seems more likely.

I tried your experiment and recieved no results. Can you explain this discrepancy?Ok, your turn. You try being an atheist for a week with an open mind and see if it sticks.

I did, immediately. The problem, I realized, was that I was seeing what I wanted to see, not what was. Ah, I see. Everyone else's beliefs are simply to be discarded at your request, but your own position is so sacrosanct that abandoning it can't even be countenanced.I tried it your way. Why won't you play fair and try it mine?

But it's possible for everyone but you to turn your back on their beliefs?It can't be impossible. After all, most atheists were once Christians. If it's "impossible", why do so many Christians do it?

There's no way that can be true and expect sea life to have survived the flood, or have even lived before it.Where did all the coral live if there was no salt water before the flood?Moreover, if you calculate the silt density of the water needed to deposit the geologic colummn based on 40 days precipitation plus the "fountains of the deep", you don't get fresh, potable water, you get some pretty thick mud.

Hardly. The only way you can come to that conclusion is if you're making up coral growth rates out of whole cloth.Coral grows very slowly. There's simply no way that the coral reefs we have today could have grown in the past 3500 years.Moreover, what would the coral have grown from? Your fictional flood would have killed all the coral. The stuff doesn't grow from seeds, you know. If you're proposing that all current sea life adapted to salinity in 3500 years, you're proposing rates of macroevolutionary change that even evolutionists wouldn't countenance. 3500 years isn't enough time to adapt to changing salinity, especially at the rates you're talking about. And there's a mile of geologic sediment over most of the Earth's surface. Divide a mile of dirt by 8,000 feet of water and tell me how clear that is. That's like taking one cubic foot of water and adding 5/8ths of a cubic foot of dirt. Would you drink that? You'd have to chew it.Also the thing you didn't cover was, if the seas weren't salty when Noah sailed his Ark, when did they get salty? If it didn't happen at flood time or soon after, you have even less time for sea species to acclimate to the new salinity, making you even more of a super-evolutionist.

Simply untrue. While coral growth rates are indeed slightly variable, there's no conceivable situation that would cause them to grow at rates thousands of times what they normally do. And certainly the conditions post-flood would not be condusive to that growth rate, or in fact, any growth rate whatsoever. No, it is a fictional story. It's untrue. It didn't happen. It's a myth.We know this because it's contradicted by all avaliable evidence. To go from fresh-water adaptation to salt-water adaptation? That's definately macro-evolutionary, if such a classification can even be said to exist. That's not a small change. That's a major change to the organism's organs, circulatory systems, and cellular chemistry. It all has to be in the water at one time, T. Where else is it coming from? This is simply a spurious objection that betrays how little thought you've actually put into your flood model.We know that all the dirt was in the water at once, according to your model, because all fossils are the result of the flood. If all the fossils are settling out of the water at once, we know the dirt they're in must be, too. Fresh water to 3.6% salt isn't a "slow change in salinity." That's a catastrophic change in salinity that would mean the extinction of almost every fish species, as well as the majority of marine invertabrates, like coral.4400 years isn't enough time to expect that rapid a macroevolutionary change to occur.