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Heathen Member (Idle past 1313 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
Coragyps writes:
These are mental pictures I DON'T need...
Oh, and I whacked it a great deal as a ninth grader, just like Jimmy.
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1313 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
dan writes: It's a big universe, and Jimmy is one boy, on a tiny planet, on the far end of a single galaxy Y'see your common or garden fundy (as far as I understand it) would at this juncture, point out that God is omnipotent and eternal. So the Idea of something being far away or very small, does not apply. according to Xian teachings, he sees all, knows all and therefore is concerned with all. Being all powerful and omnipotent It's not as if watching little jimmy is going to cause him to lose concentration on some supernova he is arranging on the other side of the galaxy. You are applying Human limitations and weaknesses to a divine eternal being. Of course that never stopped him becoming jealous, or vengeful, or murderous, or indeed never prevented adam hiding from him in the garden of edenetc. etc. But that's another Story (testament)
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1313 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
jazzns writes:
Fair's fair.. that's just filthy...Yanztax deserves everything he gets..
He could also equally care about little Yanztax Jr. on planet Gromtom and his propensity for rubbing his telepathy antenna against the soft fronds of a Lazanik plant.
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1313 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
I guess the assumption By christianity is that we are at the centre of creation, the pinnacle of God's handywork. the universe is there for us to play in. So you only have to assume that God values us and our well being above and exploding star to see that god would be interested.
Of course how we behave in life could just prepare us for our career in heaven... "Ah.. little Johnny, welcome to heaven, now let me see: tragically killed at age 12, spent 11 years beating off...Latrine Duty.." Dan writes:
That is not for us to understand. Are we meant to believe that, in the great scheme of all things, little Jimmy's nighttime fondlins really stand out as Something That Matters?Go say 3 hail Marys and beat yourself with a pointy stick.... and if that gets you off then say 10 hail Marys and tickle yourself with a feather...and if that gets you off... and so on and so forth... Dan writes:
Jimmy might just be the kid that saves the universe from complete destruction with his new unified theory of beating-off
For that matter, that Jimmy himself is Something That Matters, when you look at everything from that perspective?
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1313 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
Docpotato writes:
..Smoked a lonely cigarette and drifted off to sleep...
To think: When I was a teen, I was so close to coming up with one of these theories myself, but after a crucial moment, I lost all interest in it.
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1313 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
ringo writes: "Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me." so when jimmy whacks off, he's actually whacking jesus off? I can't decide whther that's good or bad... what would jesus do?
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1313 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
Phat writes: Think about it. If you as a human Dad somehow had the ability to make your kids obey you and do whatever you wanted them to do and be whatever you wanted them to be, would you force your will on them? I certainly would sentance them to an eternity of hellfire and brimstone for utilizing the freedom I gave them
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1313 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
Wow, 84 posts and no-one, not one person, has come close to attempting to answer the question.
Disappointing. So. my attempt at re-phrasing the OP:(sorry if I'm getting this wrong Dan) 1) God things something is a sin (example given: Mastubation (Lust))2) A person commits that sin, in doing so, harms nobody 3) For commiting this sin, Little johnny goes to hell, or suffers some amount of "separation from God" The questionWhy does god give a shit about what Johnny does with his wang in the privacy of his own bedroom? is anybody going to address this? So far we have had something along the lines of"God cares because doing this separates Johnny from god" But why does this separate johnny from God? That's like saying a father doesn't want his child to commit a crime because he doesn't want them to go to prison, neglecting totally the victim aspect of the crime, the fact that it is wrong. Merely concentrating on the possible punishment. God is all powerful etc etc. so God has Deemed that this action should separate the perpetrator from Him.Why has he deemed it so? we are all god's children apparently and he wants us not to suffer. yet he happily has killed millions in our short existance. God apparently cares about us enough to write a rule book, possess the body of a human to spread his word. But Why?
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1313 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
PD writes:
masturbation is driven by Lust. You say your OP scenerio is forbidden by major religions, but you haven't shown that it is.Lust is a pretty big sin as far as I know. I'm sure there's mention of fornication being sinful in the bible too
PD writes:
so you say.. God can and has communicated with humans. Edited by Creavolution, : spelling
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1313 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
PD writes:
well a quick wiki search returns this:
Show me where God claims that lust is a sin.wiki writes: Listed in the same order used by both Pope Gregory the Great in the 6th Century AD, and later by Dante Alighieri in his epic poem The Divine Comedy, the Seven deadly sins are as follows: Luxuria (extravagance, later lust), Gula (gluttony), Avaritia (greed), Acedia (sloth), Ira (wrath), Invidia (envy), and Superbia (pride). beliefnet returns this:
beleifnet writes:
now admittedly this doesn't say anything about looking at a man lustfully, but I think it's safe to assume that the bible doesn't approve of that either. "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.' But I say to you that every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart (Matthew 5:27-28)." there are many other links, but I'm not going to list them all here.
PD writes:
agreed. Per the OP, God does exist for the purposes of this discussion. The Holy texts show that God has communicated to humans. Edited by Creavolution, : No reason given.
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1313 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
To be honest I thought at least one person would suggests that God cares about us for the self same reason that a parent cares for a child.
(and I was ready to counter with the more menacing side of god..) but I'm genuinely surprised no one has taken this tack..
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1313 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
Uhm, It's written in the bible, the Bible is the inspired word of God allegedly no?
If we're working under the assumption that God can and does talk to people. I think it's fair to assume that the Bible is God inspired.
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1313 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
here's a couple more
The Bible writes: Jam 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. The Bible writes: Gal 5:16 [This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. The Bible writes: Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. seems to me Lust is not a good thing, and not approved by god
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1313 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
So God is happy with us lusting after our neighbours wife, but not "Coveting?"
seems to me they are pretty much the same thing. in fact this quote:
the Bible writes:
seems to be equating them, it seems to me that this is saying. Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
"Well I didn't think i had was breaking the law by lusting, but I suppose the law does say thou shalt not covet, so maybe i was lusting after all" but this isn't a biblical discussion thread so we should not stray too far. Edited by Creavolution, : No reason given.
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1313 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
So is this view of christianity anything other than your interpretation?
I mean we can ask everyone on this board how strictly we should obey the commandments, and we will get a hell of a lot of answers. If a christian chooses to base their life on the bible it seems unreasonable that they should cherry pick or interpret as they see fit. The "Word of God" fast looses any authority. As Dan has said, If the bible (the Word of God) advises against an action or forbids an action we can only assume God cares whether or not we do it.the question is: Why?
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