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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Please red Asgara's post
This message has been edited by Theodoric, 12-26-2005 01:58 PM This message has been edited by Theodoric, 12-26-2005 01:58 PM Barb's Site Exposing the radical right with facts
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4930 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Sorry, but stating it was not a miracle is an unsubstantiated claim, and should be retracted and rephrased that he believes it is not a miralce.
I offer up the news story as my evidence, and placed this in Coffee House because there is nothing here to argue really. You either beleive her story and account or do not. Discussions of why one believes can be fruitful. I believe because I have seen similar things, and all the evidence thus far indicates the story happened. I don't know of anything beyond the story itself to prove or disprove, but certainly bare statements "it's not a miracle" are completely contradictory with an open mind and moreover unsubstantiated. One point I had in posting this was just to point out that when people say miracles do not happen today as in the Bible, imo, they are disingenious or ignorant of the claims out there. The Bible miracles are no less or more proven than the ones today. They happened then and happened now. Some beleive and investigate and some do not. This message has been edited by randman, 12-26-2005 03:04 PM
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4930 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Have you taken any effort at all in making your statement "it is not a miracle" to determine if it was a miracle or not?
I seriously doubt you have, but you insist it was not a miracle prior to ever studying the issue out.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
One point I had in posting this was just to point out that when people say miracles do not happen today as in the Bible, imo, they are disingenious or ignorant of the claims out there. As you state these are claims, not proof. Therefore, those that say they are not happening are not disengenious or ignorant. They just have not seen proof that these so called miracles are miracles. You are being fast and loose with facts and reality.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
You yourself had stated that it is a claim of a miracle, not a miracle.
This message has been edited by Theodoric, 12-26-2005 02:11 PM Barb's Site Exposing the radical right with facts
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2333 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
This quote is from your msg 15 in this thread.
I readily admitted when I placed this in Coffee House that I wasn't trying to "prove" it was a miracle. I believe the story since I have seen miracles, and you do not.
You readily admitted no such thing. You made an existential claim - "Man raised back to life in Jesus' name" is the title of your thread, the only commentary you made on the article was - "MIracles still happen today." These are existential claims. All you offered was a human interest article about an unconfirmed happening 3 years ago. No one has anything to substantially discuss until you provide evidence. Asgara "I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now" Save lives! Click here!Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC! http://asgarasworld.bravepages.comhttp://perditionsgate.bravepages.com
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4930 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
I looked into this and saw miracles really do happen. So when people say they haven't seen proof, I question whether they have looked into it for themselves. I used to provide documentation of some miracles, but found that when people do not want to believe, they will just dismiss it anyway, no matter how much evidence you present.
In my experience, people that are open-minded will find the evidence. They will hear stories like this, and consider them, and they will run across people that have experienced such miracles, and believe and look into them. People that don't want to believe and are close-minded, in my experience, will not believe no matter what evidence you provide for them. So I don't argue to prove this stuff anymore. If you are open-minded, you will hear of more of this, and if not, you probably won't accept anything, even if you witness the miracle yourself.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4930 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
the story is all the evidence offerred for this thread asqara....if you or someone chooses to reject this, that's your business, but you cannot say you know it was not a miracle without backing that up.
You may not like my evidence here, but it is some evidence. more than theodric has offerred..
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4930 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
the claim and story are the evidence of the miracle...if you feel it is insufficient, then argue that....stating you know for a fact it is not a miracle is an unsubstantiated claim..
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4930 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
It's interesting the emotional level in terms of the negative response to just reporting a woman's account.
Seems some folks have an emotional interest in disbelieving in miracles.
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Interesting that there are no eyewitness statements to support her claim.
As best I can tell, "miracles" only happen when there are no skeptical eyewitnesses present. Impeach Bush
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Here is the science behind this supposed miracle
http://theory.tifr.res.in/.../trivia/ganapati-milk.html#expt Another debunk of a miracleThe crying game | | The Guardian I can find more Barb's Site Exposing the radical right with facts
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4930 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
That's pretty interesting, especially the number of people that witnessed this. Not surprising really once you recognize such things can happen.
any more info on it?
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Yeah. Here's another miracle from the past. God is truly loving and merciful, isn't He, rand?
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