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Author Topic:   The Dangers of Secularism
nator
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Message 50 of 190 (208603)
05-16-2005 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by robinrohan
05-15-2005 4:39 PM


Re: A lack of balance
I think that the issue is more having to do with human "in/out group", tribal mentality.
Religion, secular cults of personality, they are all the same.
We want to control others, and if we can't control them, we might as well kill them.
Power makes people able to do these things on a larger scale, is all.
Religion is a way for the few to have a lot of power over the many.
Rationality and reason is the only reason we haven't blown up the planet so far.

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Message 51 of 190 (208608)
05-16-2005 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by robinrohan
05-16-2005 9:30 AM


Re: Why a vacuum?
quote:
it seems to be the case that when a religion is abolished something has to take its place.
Well, the word "abolished" might have something to do with it.
There's a difference between abolishing religion and having it decline on it's own.

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Message 108 of 190 (209216)
05-17-2005 11:20 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Silent H
05-17-2005 5:54 AM


Re: religion a fixture in executive branch?
quote:
The Court cannot create laws and they haven't as of yet (with the possible exception of the Bush decision, which practically amended the constitution).
No, no, holmes, don't you remember?
The SCOTUS said that the descision to put Bush in power shouldn't be considered a precedent and was to be considered a unique case.

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nator
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Message 123 of 190 (209825)
05-19-2005 9:56 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by Limbo
05-19-2005 8:09 PM


Re: Dangers of a purely secular approach to psychology
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Why has the rise of modern psychology not produced a golden age of happiness? Try as it might to give us skills for living, psychology has never been able to give a reason for living. It offers no vision.
Why do you think Psychology is supposed to make you happy?
That's your job.
Of course, when Psychology figured out that people with mental illnesses like schizophrenia aren't possessed by demons but merely have chemical imblances in their brains, I'm sure it made their families happier, and probably the sufferers happier as well. This goes for all sorts of mental problems which are much better understood now, and also that we understand how people learn and understand and perceive things differently from each other and at different ages, etc., which leads to better therapies, better teaching techniques, better parenting, better job training, better design of any kind of instrument array, etc.
The study of Psychology is about trying to understand how we think and feel, and then applying it to real-world situations and problems. It isn't supposed to tell each individual what their purpose in life is.
I'd say that a person hasn't grown up until they stop letting others decide what their own life's meaning is.

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nator
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Message 129 of 190 (209949)
05-20-2005 8:26 AM
Reply to: Message 124 by Silent H
05-20-2005 4:53 AM


Re: Dangers of a purely secular approach to psychology
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This is not necessarily true, as I have shown in my thread on the Rind study. At this point two of the largest Psychology organizations have as their stated policy that psychology is NOT about trying to understand anything, and is about reinforcing social/political philosophy regarding how we should be.
Which organizations are those?
Are they clinical or cognitive?
quote:
I will be very happy to see you change your stance and confirm that Psych cannot determine purpose or happiness for humans, except to say this is what has made some people happy and some not.
I have not intended to give the impression that any science does anything but describe behavior and propose possible reasons for that behavior.
Any determinations made on the basis of any research are at least somewhat my own.
quote:
And though I am probably at the point of badgering I am seeing quite a bit of posting going on by you lately. Aren't you ready yet to address the issues of psychological findings regarding human sexuality that I posted to you?
I'll get to it.
Keep your pants on.
haha.

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