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Rahvin
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Message 38 of 76 (242553)
09-12-2005 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Faith
09-12-2005 12:11 PM


Re: There is no problem with faith (or Faith)
Pardon me for stepping in here - I don't intend to participate in the real debate, should it actually begin.
If the Bible must be treated as falsifiable then YECs should refuse to participate here. I should have recognized this and acted accordingly long ago.
But, Faith, your position similarly eliminates the possibility of debate. The fact is, the non-literallists are not going to agree with you that the Bible is unfalsifiable. That's the entire other side of the debate. Saying that the Bible must be simply taken as true from the beginning essentially creates a magic "I win, because teh Bible says so and any evidence to the contrary must be teh wrong!!1!" button for YEC's, and then the non-YEC's would have no reason to post.
What we need is some kind of middle ground - you need to understand that the rest of us disagree with you just as much as we need to understand that the Bible to you is just as authoritative as direct observation. It's not science, but it allows for debate.
We need to be able to present evidence for and against Biblical literalism for there to be any debate on Biblical topics. There has to be some way we can do that while respecting your beliefs as a literalist.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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Rahvin
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Message 48 of 76 (242661)
09-12-2005 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Faith
09-12-2005 4:04 PM


Re: There is no problem with faith (or Faith)
Your reply to me, Faith, didn't really address anything.
However, this board is hosted by the science side and it is their job to make room for their opponents if they sincerely want to debate. But there cannot be genuine debate when the ground rules preclude the very premise of the opposition.
And the "science side" does make room for you. We have the Faith and Belif forums, and on the Science forums, anyone who can provide actual evidence that falsifies accepted theory will be recognized. Scientits, by definition, are willing to admit that they are wrong about conclusions. It's part of the scientific method. We are all willing to admit being wrong if evidence is shown that actually refutes us.
The problem is that your evidence is a book - a book you believe in, yes, but to the rest of us it's a really old book with no outside supporting evidence.
As much as we need to see your side, Faith, you need to see ours, too. No debate can follow if either side is unwilling to admit to being wrong in the face of evidence.
Arguing with you is like bashing your head against a brick wall when it finally comes down to "the Bible trumps all." You treat it like a magic "I win" button, and that's not honest debate.
I won't post in this thread again, and I apologize to IRH for taking up valuable posts with off-topic replies like this, but Faith is pushing my buttons with her line of thinking. "Admit that the Bible is inerrant or I won't debate with you!"

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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