Too Many Meteor Strikes in 6k Years

there is crater off the yucatan that matches a date for something called the k-t boundary. the boundary is a line in the geological column that exists all over the world, with a high concentration of iridium in it. iridium is not common on earth.the k-t line also marks the end of the reign of the dinosaurs. no dinosaurs are found above k-t. the geological column an be shown to have been laid down sequentially, not all at once, because of angular unconformities. for the life of me, i have never once seen a creationist explain angular unconformities, thus changing the law of superposition.so it stands to reason that a big object from space hit the earth, and killed off the dinosaurs. feel free to suggest another way to read the data.

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q. was noah any good at surfing?got a pool in your backyard? go drop a stone in it. what happens? does it make a ripple? now drop a bigger stone. now THROW the bigger stone. now get a cinder block. noticing a trend here?remember columbia when it came down, god rest their souls? what happened to it? did it light on fire?now imagine a 6-mile wide stone hurtling down into the water at terminal velocity, super-heated by the friction of the air. like ned said, the water may as well not even be there. in fact, i'll go a step further and say it wasn't, even if there was a flood. the fire and brimstone from the sky would have evaporated the water into steam before the rock even hit.so if noah survived the gigantic tidal waves (we're talking miles high here), the steam would have cooked him.

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we're not guessing. there's math and physics behind this. they know, as the result of a formula, the approximate size an asteroid would have to be to cover the earth with debris and dust clouds. we have this formula from other asteroid hits. actually, there a rather nice one in tunguska, siberia in 1908 that had tons of eyewitnesses.edit: come to think of it, *I* have witnessed asteroids, and i've seen video of an impact. although, granted not on the scale of tunguska...This message has been edited by arachnophilia, 05-23-2005 02:09 PM

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same difference really. these things aren't stopped by the atmosphere. they're barely stopped by the earth. one at least one occasion in the solar system, one was NOT stopped by the body it hit. jupiter has a moon that was completely shattered into pieces, and then re-combined by gravity into a mixed-up spherical form.the evidence also points to the moon being formed by an asteroid impact that broke the planet apart, and ejected super-heated liquid rock into space, which then cooled and formed the egg-shape that is our moon. (the moon is more massive on the side that faces us, which means it had to have been formed from liquid rock)so what makes you think they'll just drop into the water, and it'll absorb the hit, AND still leave marks on the earth? still a global climate problem. these EXTINCTION-CAUSING events. no, not guess. backed by data, and not contradicted. like the vapor-canopy model than ends up cooking everything alive, so we have change the laws of physics?

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look it up. it leveled a good section of the siberian forests, in a giant radial pattern. it was witnessed entering the atmosphere from miles away. i don't think it left a crater though, it wasn't pic enough. the was seen to have exploded before it hit the ground.as for how many died, i think something on the order of a dozen. but not many people live in the siberian wilderness.

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the k-t event hit deep water. it still killed something like 90% of the life on earth. like i said, water doesn't stick around in temperatures of several thousand degrees. it also didn't leave a crater. we're talking about things that actually make craters, and some of them several hundred miles wide (like the k-t one). so the example of effects similar to a small nuclear bomb is rather magified with the bigger rocks that we're talking about. ok, well, what do you suppose would happen if a planet-buster hit us? flood or not. you think an asteroid measured in cubic MILES would make a huge dent in the earth, and NOT kick up dust?

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making stuff up again, i see. still, these things VAPORIZE rock several hundred meter deep. water or not. water would be LESS resistance than rock.

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no. meteors kill even superman, remember?

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yes, i AM talking. and i'm saying that you're making up stuff again.see, at least the sort of things i'm discussing are all backed by science and evidence. you can't even say the same for the bible. you're making up stuff to defend the bible in a COMPLETELY unbiblical fashion. you mean the water that's several thousand degrees?

heck, it's slightly more than superman.

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the problem is that most yec's insist that the entire column was laid down in one event. angular unconformities disprove that.also, if you stack the geological column from permian to cretacious, and divide by 6k years, you get about 20+ feet of rock per yer, on average. and that's not the entire column. like hydrologic sorting? not with angular unconformities. besides, no mechanism other than "god did it to mess with us" has ever been proposed.it also proves, if you can follow logic, that the layers with dinosaurs in them were laid down before the layer without dinosaurs in them. and if the division is based around an asteroid event, it doesn't take a leap of faith to think that the asteroid caused the extinction. no. not really. you haven't actually demonstrated a familiarity with the data at all. you've just done a few backflips in the mental gymnastics arena, not legitimized it as an olympic sport.

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one event, or many. take your pick. why not? you're basically claiming that hundreds of feet of rock were made instantly, one at a time, selectively upturned and weathered and eroded, and the next layer deposited. lather, rinse, repeat. for MILES up MILES. so you ARE arguing with the law of superposition then. explain to me how the bottomn layers would be shift, eroded back to level (cutting the strata off at an angle), and NOT disturbed the levels above even slightly? if.if your idea is correct, there is no reason for why it matches and supports the scientific theory. and there is no reason given for why certain things are confined to certain strata. how do you explain that?This message has been edited by arachnophilia, 05-25-2005 04:31 PM

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it's speculation that things entering the atmosphere heat up to very very hot temperatures? and it's speculation that really really hot things make water vaporize? and it's speculation that if something hit in an area that only has marine fossils that it hit underwater? layers above the k-t do not contain dinosaurs. or rather, as a point of fact, no dinosaur remains have ever been found above the k-t boundary. i challenge you to show me one (because i'd be really interested to know if i'm wrong).as for the "next layer up" bit, we can identify which layers are which. we don't randomly assign things. if a section of the tertiary layers are missing, the statement is still true. if a section of the cretacious layer is missing, the statement is still true. if both layers are there, the statement is still true, and there is a layer between them full of un-earthly elements like iridium. uh, no, it was a hypothesis for a long time. it predicted that we would find a crater of a certain size, in a particular layerof rock. types of sediment and fossilized life. an asteroid, several miles across. about 111m (or 180km) across. yes and no. 65mya is a long time. it's since been buried. but here's a gravity map of it. yes. uh, no. it's strongly supported theories. there is still some debate as to what killed the dinosaurs (and not EVERYTHING). it's not really "BOOM everything dies" but more of the secondary effects and environmental catastrophes. and it's not imaginative. there's a layer strongly saturated in an element not usually found on earth, a 180km crater associated with it, and a mass extinction event at the same time. coincidence?wrath of god, maybe. but not a flood. yes. at tunguska in 1908. the atmosphere was 2% less transparent for the next few years. it was read on seismographs around the world. the shattered windows 400 miles away. the people in ENGLAND noticed. uh, no you're not getting it. we were trying to impress on you the devastating effects of something that didn't even end up touching the earth. this thing yeilded about the same effect as the bomb that dropped on hiroshima (which also didn't touch the ground, btw). and we're talking about stuff that not only HIT the ground, but vaporized 5000 cubic km of rock.this one was little, and people noticed as far away as england. imagine one several thousand times as big. i'd be damned suprised in seismographs didn't pick those up. heck, we can triangulate were earthquakes epicenters are using data from the otherside of the planet. but we're talking about things that dropped with several thousand times the destruction of a nuke. [qs]but the fact is there were 100 atmospheric (and 828 underground) bombs tested in a short period of time just at the one Nevada Test Site, the atmospheric ones all within the 50s, all in one location, and their effect seems to have been a lot less than dramatic. [/]qstell that to the residents of hiroshima and nagasaki. again, we're talking about stuff that leaves craters 180km across. a lot smaller. heat expands. we'd be dealing with thousand degree steam blasts and giant tidal waves. water just COMPLICATES the matter.

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originally, it was about establishing a connection between the k-t layer, the k-t event, and the dinosaur extinction. the problem arises because yec's tend not to believe the sequential nature of the geologic column, and so the k-t boundary does not have to be associate with the extinction.i was showing why this view is wrong.

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