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ReverendDG
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Message 16 of 111 (356613)
10-15-2006 3:30 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Hyroglyphx
10-14-2006 10:52 PM


Re: Its the Sleaze factor - not the Gay factor
I would say that suppression if not channeled through a healthy avenue can have these effects, but I wouldn't hesitate to clarify that pornography is 99.8% the culprit. And having said that, that doesn't automatically mean that people that look at porn are going to become sexual deviants. What it does mean is that pornography is the stepping stone for virtually all the cases of this.
do you have any evidence to support this at all? or is this merely a way to scapegoat something that doens't affect you?
the fact is that there is evidence that porn is far from the culprit, and even if every rapest and murder or what have you, is found with porn in thier house doesn't mean its the cause of what they did. they are psychologically damaged already and would have found the outlet that got them into trouble with or without porn
you basicly killed your support of porn not causing people to become sexual devients by saying its the cause of people becoming sexual devients!
what is your evidence? mine is the psychological records of many of the people who kill or rape or other problems, if porn is anything, it slows down the person from starting sooner in thier rampages on unsupecting people

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ReverendDG
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Message 38 of 111 (356743)
10-15-2006 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Hyroglyphx
10-15-2006 12:07 PM


Re: Its the Sleaze factor - not the Gay factor
Pornography maybe a harmless and inquisitive endeavor at first, and certainly there is bueaty in the naked human form. Pornography, though, doesn't enhance this qualitative bueaty, it eradicates it and turns into something reprehensible. Those that lightly browse through it find themselves and their time devoted to ever-increasing bouts with it. Pornography, like cocaine or methamphetamines, is like a stimulant and considered by its honest adherents as highly addictive. It creates a strong physiological response in the viewer that almost certainly will become dulled from subsequent viewings. From the diminishment of "feeling" it could lead people into darker forms of pornography. And further down the path the individual is lead into depravity.
uhuh, thanks for proving me right, you have no clue what you are talking about. if you are going to use such a broad brush, don't swipe me on the way, i look at porn a lot, and i have a healthy love of women that doesn't make them into objects as you are claiming looking at porn does
this has nothing to do with porn this has to do with the person themselves all porn does is show a reflection of the persons psyche
I also find it interesting that some obvious societal markers are not being recognized by my critics. Isn't it interesting that virtually all employers, secular or otherwise, can and will fire their employers if pornographic images have been downloaded on company computers. Any other download might give you a warning to get back to work at most. Pornography is different and everybody knows it. That's why pornshop windows are blacked out, that's why its taboo. It has less to do with what any religious person feels and more to do that, even though they wish is wasn't true, society frowns upon it.
its because of prudes like you that they do this, this has nothing to do with depravity and more to do with the aditude that sex is wrong or dirty and leads to violence and evil somehow
But to be sure, what do you suppose Percy who is of a more liberal ilk than some would think if I posted pornographic images on the web? What would happen to me? I'd be banned. Hmmmmmm, interesting. And yet, there is nothing inherently wrong with it. How do you reconcile that dichotomy?
because minors come to this site? that porn isn't the focus of this site? the only dichotomy is the false one you are making up
But let me be certain to share that puritanical homes that turn sexuality into some evil compulsion have an ostensibly negative effect on teenagers, especially when coupled with clandestine viewing of pornography. The polarization between purity and non-purity can often produce the worst offenders.
oh come on i can name some sickos who lived long before porno was widely avalible that people who hate porn would blame porn for
ever heard of ed gein? he was the insperation for psycho and buffalo bob from silence of the lambs, and he never saw porn in his life! but he skinned dead corpses to make a human skin suit and made furiture out of human corpses
your just trying to demonize pornography to fuel your own psychosis
It doesn't mitigate the effects it exacerbates the frequency and turns sexuality into paraphiliac aberrations. There are numerous reports that marry pornography to a host of problems from psychosomatic to pyschophysiological.
i don't get it what does foot fetishs or being sexually aroused by people doing wierd things have to do with this at all?
you are claiming that porn causes people to become devient and i'm saying the people claimed to be harmed by porn are already damaged by something else and all porn is, is a safer outlit than what they might do otherwise: namely hurt people
wow amazingly enough your goverment link refutes your whole argument! you should be careful to sit down before you swallow that other foot
from Pubmed
The results showed that in none of the countries did rape increase more than nonsexual violent crimes. This finding in itself would seem sufficient to discard the hypothesis that pornography causes rape.
there you have it folks! NJ hoasted his own patard, full stop.
Edited by ReverendDG, : No reason given.

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ReverendDG
Member (Idle past 4141 days)
Posts: 1119
From: Topeka,kansas
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Message 54 of 111 (356969)
10-17-2006 1:14 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by Hyroglyphx
10-15-2006 9:10 PM


Re: Its the Sleaze factor - not the Gay factor
So, are you offended that I would find myself in disagreement with porn because you like it?
where the hell did i say this? i said your over-generization is insulting to many people and that includes me, what fucking right do you have saying this?
LOL! I can't argue with that. It isn't the action of porn, its what happens to the psyche that matters
yes and the porn reflects the problems they have by what they chose, just like anything else in life
Its when something is abused for ill-gotten purposes that somnething good can be manipulated into something bad. So, please, with sugar-on-top, stop trying to derail my argument by distorting what I've been saying.
when you say porn is the root of the sickness what am i suppose to think?
Um, minors go to porn sites without their parents permission. Its called a 'disclaimer.' And cars, cameras, zebras, or telephones aren't the 'focus' of EvC either, but you don't see the Admin's fussing about that. So, again, if pornography is really no big deal, why outlaw it from this site, why ban it from children's eyes, why is it taboo at all across the globe, irrespective of culture of religious affiliations? Could it be that there really is an innate sense, perhaps instituted by God, perhaps not, that its 'wrong' to abuse one's own sexuality?
well duh our culture says its bad, that doesn't make it inherently bad now does it? whether minors see porn is rather irrelvent isn't it?
now being considered a provider of porn is looked down on by a lot of people and percy would delete things if it caused more noise than signel, never been an admin to a website have you?
Porn is just one avenue of the larger problem. Sexual immorality is really what's at heart. And that has been with us since the beginning.
sigh, this is meaningless, we can't even agree on what is moral or even what is immoral
Everything! Its just what I've been saying. People that watch porn run the risk of growing calloused to it and so go from soft material to hard material. Eventually, it synthesizes into bizarre fetishes that should never be sexual to begin with-- unless of course you find it sexually appealing to be defecated on. Pshhh.
wow thanks for that over-generalization of people you never met in your life, didn't christ say not to judge others?
Ah yes... Just give a confused teenager some porn and that'll straighten him out. Forget sports or outdoor activities, just stimulate them sexually so they won't hurt people. Fascinating thesis.
oh yes because thats what i said! please, i said people already have problems to begin with that porn has nothing to do with, but people blame it as the sole cause, i said that it is at least pragmaticly safer than a psychologically damaged person hurting others, its like the D&D scare of the 80's, its easy to blame something that they hate already than to realize the person needed help and this was just a diversion they had.
if you think that what i quoted was what i meant, then you have some pyschosis you need to work out yourself
No it doesn't, it says that violent and non-violent pornography have no disparity when it comes to rape. What does reflect is that rapists are into porn. Make the connection.
are you blind or just willfully ignorent? it says it right there, in black and white
This finding in itself would seem sufficient to discard the hypothesis that pornography causes rape.
if you read the whole thing theres no evidence that porn causes anyone to feel like raping anyone
becides its not about sex its about causing fear and dominince in people
you never commented on the fact that a person can do sick things without porn or anything like porn, so claiming porn is the cause is stupid and unfounded, its a scapegoat to make people feel better

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ReverendDG
Member (Idle past 4141 days)
Posts: 1119
From: Topeka,kansas
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Message 55 of 111 (356970)
10-17-2006 1:22 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Phat
10-16-2006 3:25 PM


Re: Stubbs
Nature is no excuse for behavior.
it isn't an excuse its a factor to why people do things
Is it natural to be a murderer, for example??
no being a murderer isn't part of nature anymore than wearing clothing is
being pyschotic is part of the persons nature, being socialpathic is natural is
being insane is natural
being a murderer is an act of a damaged or natural pyschological state
why do you think they try to treat insane people before they execute them?
having sex with underage children is wrong ethicly if you happen to be thier boss, but our society believes that children should be protected at all costs anyway so, anything done to children is wrong

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ReverendDG
Member (Idle past 4141 days)
Posts: 1119
From: Topeka,kansas
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Message 56 of 111 (356972)
10-17-2006 1:37 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by Hyroglyphx
10-16-2006 11:19 PM


Re: Its the Sleaze factor - not the Gay factor
So is checking your email but your unlikely to get fired over that unless you habitually do it even after being warned to stop. Porn is different. Why is that?
because not everyone agrees about porn maybe? that businesses want an image that doesn't offend those that don't like porn? i think you can come up with an answer
Yeah, they won't let you look at porn because of spyware . And as for viruses, any decent-sized company, especially the US gov't, is going to have some pretty impressive firewalls to combat that.
hmm, this is a reason, they do have malware that spread viruses, this is also why they block warez sites and pirating sites
Every home searched after a serial killer is finally caught, yields mounds of pornographic material-- particularly disturbing masochistic porn and in excess of what any reasonable person might consider an average amount.
yes and so what? as i said corrolation is not causation, claiming the cause is porn is not supported by anything, there is no evidence that viewing porn even exstreme violent porn causes the viewer to go out and harm someone else. even the goverment says there isn't any evidence
What does that mean?
it means, you find porn in the killers house, that means that porn makes people became killers. its the classic "this person is really hated, they do , therefor made them do it"
its like claiming heavy metal turns people into satanists, because satanists listen to heavy metal.
I didn't say that if you look at porn you are auotmatically going to be a serial killer. What I said was that virtually every serial killer is known to be deeply involved in pornography. As well, any FBI profiler would look at this factor as a serious and considerable variable when trying to establish patterns.
yes they did look at it and found its not true. so therefor you can stop making the corrolation, its unfounded according to the FBI

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