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Author Topic:   Rationalism: a paper tiger?
Archer Opteryx
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Message 9 of 125 (433348)
11-11-2007 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Hyroglyphx
11-11-2007 10:32 AM


Say what?
Well, which is it you intend to attack--rationalism or postmodernism?
The OP uses two terms--rationalism and postmodernism--as if they were interchangeable. They aren't.
'Rationalism' has been around at least since the eighteenth century; American democracy is one of its products. Depending on how one understands the term, one can argue that it has been with us ever since the end of the Middle Ages.
'Postmodernism' dates mainly from the 1970s. That's when it superceded modernism in general culture. Understanding the distinguishing features of postmodernism calls for an understanding of modernism. The two phenomena proceed from different premises.
The OP blends all this into apple sauce. It quotes G. K. Chesterton as if he had something critical to say of postmodernism. But Chesterton never met a postmodernist. He died in 1936--a decade before the phenomenon was recognized and the term was coined. He was taking issue with modernism.
So which of those things are you really attacking? Is it rationalism or postmodernism?
Could it be your real objection is to neither? Your real quarrel seems to be with relativism--which is yet another thing.
If that is the case, why not just abandon the other terms and clarify the issues you see involving relativism? There are all kinds of relativism. Which do you have in mind?
The first task is to clarify, in any case.
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Archer Opteryx
Member (Idle past 3627 days)
Posts: 1811
From: East Asia
Joined: 08-16-2006


Message 80 of 125 (434028)
11-14-2007 1:31 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by PaulK
11-13-2007 1:25 AM


Re: relativist
PaulK:
Well lets start with the facts. As you've admitted if there is an absolute morality we don't know it . We have no demonstrably reliable way of even approximating it. So, for all practical purposes there IS no absolute morality. Surely honesty demands that we take a "relativist" position given these facts.
Bumpity bump.
As a reader, I appreciate NemJug's clarification of terms and find this response by PaulK fair and interesting. A reply to it would be welcome.
PaulK is taking moral relativism to be the issue, NJ. Is that what you wanted to examine? If so, how do you respond to his statement?

Archer
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