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Taqless
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Message 27 of 34 (171299)
12-24-2004 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by NosyNed
12-23-2004 10:40 PM


Re: An update on Flew
What are the characteristics of this god? he is asked. What is it's purpose?
"Why should he have a purpose?" is his response.
And then?
Does your god concern himself with maintaining his creations? Is he interested in us?
Only a god who wants to be praised and wants to be obeyed would create a universe in which there are people to praise and obey is his answer.
Isn't this a contradiction? It provides purpose where he I thought he implied there was none. Maybe I'm misunderstanding?

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Taqless
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Message 28 of 34 (171300)
12-24-2004 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Silent H
12-24-2004 5:48 AM


Re: An update on Flew
holmes,
....why a god must exist (stock dilemma, with "going on forever" being a generic catchall which does not measure up to other unknown possibilities)...
What is the big problem with forever? Not that it's your viewpoint, but I see this as being offered as a huge hurdle to be explained {insert a god} all of the time. "Conscience Purpose" seems to be a human hangup that the universe is under no obligation to adhere to. Any insight?

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Taqless
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Message 30 of 34 (171308)
12-24-2004 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by NosyNed
12-24-2004 11:45 AM


Re: Contradiction
Having worked in the healthcare field a bit he is sounding like one or both of the following that I've personally seen:
1) Significant loss(es) of someone(s) he cared for. I've seen individuals accept theism based on their inability to cope with where and what will happen to that specific person (not themselves). Seems odd, but we all tend to "bank the fire" of our youth with increasing age....sometimes it's easier to "give in". Pure speculation, but obervations nonetheless.
2) A mild form of dimentia.

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Taqless
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From: AZ
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Message 33 of 34 (171319)
12-24-2004 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by NosyNed
12-24-2004 1:03 PM


Re: Symptoms
It's hardly reasonable to be diagnosing at a distance mind you.
Agreed.
Well, I'm 5 minutes away from hanging up my labcoat and finding out what my experiment results are, so I'll wish you Happy Holidays.
p.s.
Having suffered such a loss I can tell you that it would be very nice to be able to believe that it isn't an end. I think I have a tiny bit of understanding of that.
Having been in that position I reminded myself that it is a transfer of energy, so there is no "end". I take encouragement from that...maybe you can/or have as well.

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