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Taq
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Message 16 of 151 (506843)
04-29-2009 6:39 PM


The next world power?
If ambition are the indicator it would be China. If resources are the indicator then the European Union and the US will be duking it out for supremacy for the next 100 years.
The problem for China, as someone else mentioned, is land mass. They need more of it. The question is would the world community allow China to expand, probably through militaristic conquest? Or could the world community stop them?

  
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Message 17 of 151 (506854)
04-29-2009 8:03 PM
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04-29-2009 4:17 PM


the 1st time succession was more along geographical, and industrialized lines. If it happens again I would bet that Texas would not be the lone star in the amount of states trying to suceed, and the battle if the Union wished to take the fight against other states again would be fought on multiple fronts, in multiple states against multiple sucession causes.

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Message 18 of 151 (506857)
04-29-2009 8:26 PM
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04-29-2009 8:03 PM


The word is
secession.
No state is going to secede. This whole thing is just a right wing wet dream.
I'd love to hear your argument supporting the idea that staes are going to secede.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 19 of 151 (506858)
04-29-2009 8:34 PM


thank you grammar nazi.
I knew I had it wrong but was hoping the smart folks here would knew what I meant.
Why not put forth your reasons why states are not going to sucede, as you are so sure of yourself. Oh I get it, maybe attacking is all you got?

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Message 20 of 151 (506859)
04-29-2009 8:35 PM
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04-29-2009 8:03 PM


No state will reasonably attempt to secede the United States in teh foreseeable future. Regardless of reactionary fearmongering and bleating about higher taxes (for the ultra-rich), no matter how loudly they screech about so-called expansion the the Federal government (well, unless somebody they like is in charge), there is no state in the Union that honestly thinks they can make it on their own better than with he rest of the US.

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Theodoric
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Message 21 of 151 (506861)
04-29-2009 8:43 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Artemis Entreri
04-29-2009 8:34 PM


Ok you presented the argument. I disagreed. It is your argument. If you can't back it up then just say you can't. I am not making the outrageous claim. You are.
Oh and it isn't grammar. Grammar is the construction of sentences. You used a word that was the wrong word. You do not want people to point out things like this? Of course I am going to point it out. It helps to have an idea of the concept before you post on it.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 22 of 151 (506862)
04-29-2009 8:59 PM


I just cant spell for shit, its not about having an idea or not.
I didn't realize I presented an argument.
heaven forbid someone make a crazy claim in the coffe house of all places. I would be happy to discuss this topic, but I dont know how anyone here could assume I was being serious about the State of Texas being a future world power, I mean they have too many mexicans in Texas for that to happen [once again more sarcasm before the racist labelers get their panties in a bunch, not that mexican is a race though].

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Message 23 of 151 (506863)
04-29-2009 9:05 PM
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04-29-2009 8:59 PM


So you do not think this?
quote:
If it happens again I would bet that Texas would not be the lone star in the amount of states trying to suceed, and the battle if the Union wished to take the fight against other states again would be fought on multiple fronts, in multiple states against multiple sucession causes.
A little advice. If you want to be taken serious here, and in life, improve your spelling and grammar.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 24 of 151 (506864)
04-29-2009 9:09 PM


No state will reasonably attempt to secede the United States in teh foreseeable future. Regardless of reactionary fearmongering and bleating about higher taxes (for the ultra-rich), no matter how loudly they screech about so-called expansion the the Federal government (well, unless somebody they like is in charge), there is no state in the Union that honestly thinks they can make it on their own better than with he rest of the US.
Those people in Montana are crazy enough. They threatened under Dubya, and now under Obonogo. If you touch their guns they are gone. Frankly your idea about who is in charge is irrelevant, unless there is another party out there that I missed, that the state of Montana votes for.
I bet Alaskans think they can do better alone. If they succeeded and nationalized their oil resources, they could be the richest people in one of the wealthiest nations on the planet, and Oil is just one of many resources they would have to make it on.
The Hawaiians probably still want to be alone even today, I am not sure they really even identify themselves with Americans. I’m not sure if they could make it or not, but I think they would put up a decent attempt.
There that is 3 states out of 0 possible (No state according to you).

  
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Message 25 of 151 (506867)
04-29-2009 9:19 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Artemis Entreri
04-29-2009 8:59 PM


yeah i did type that. so that comment is so rediculous, yet you still haven't said anything to the contrary. Nuk if you buk!?!
yeah your debating skillz are too 1337 for me [sarcasm]
thanx for the tip [sarcasm]. I knew you were a grammar nazi to bad when you corrected me for misspelling you misspelled the word states, which was hilarious. So in correcting me on spelling and saying I cannot be taken seriously I guess since you spell the word states, as staes, I cannot take you seriously either. Get over yourself d00d.
Theoderic writes:
I'd love to hear your argument supporting the idea that staes are going to secede.
Why not practice what you preach? Or is it do as you say not as you do?
Busted.
I’m a born and raised F.I.B. I will never care what someone in Wisconsin thinks of me, or whether they take me serious or not.
I L L
Edited by Artemis Entreri, : oh had had to seriously fix my grammar so that the SS doesn't come for me in the night, Heil Theodoric!

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Message 26 of 151 (506873)
04-30-2009 12:18 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Artemis Entreri
04-29-2009 8:03 PM


Artemis Entreri writes:
the 1st time succession was more along geographical, and industrialized lines. If it happens again I would bet that Texas would not be the lone star in the amount of states trying to suceed, and the battle if the Union wished to take the fight against other states again would be fought on multiple fronts, in multiple states against multiple sucession causes.
To our readers of this forum outside of the US, it must seem pretty weird that there are still so-called patriots that preach for the destruction of the US. This is because of the first amendment to the Bill of Rights which allows anyone to say anything, no matter how supposedly treasonous or insulting to one's intelligence, to say exactly what they think.
It is only when one acts upon such stupidity that one is liable, or at least that is the way it is supposed to work.
As for our little separatist here, I can assure all of you that us Texas US military veterans know how to deal with this empty rhetoric once it turns into action.
It is important to note that the last time any moron stockpiled weapons in order to secede from the US, as in the case of the Texas Republic movement, they were all arrested with only one death to the separatists, due to the loyalty and superior police training of the Texas Rangers.
Unfortunately I can't say the same about the federal response of the FBI and ATF at Waco.
So I would say before you tell us who we are, you best understand what you will face.
Edited by anglagard, : correct a mispelling
Edited by anglagard, : take out unnecessary, yet appropriate insult
Edited by anglagard, : url and remove extraneous phrase
Edited by anglagard, : another mispell

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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Message 27 of 151 (506876)
04-30-2009 12:55 AM


As toThe Next World Power
As to the next world power, that is obvious. It is the first power that takes control of the high ground as in Earth orbit or the Moon. As to which current nation due to such insight chooses to take that position, right now it may be anyone's guess.

  
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Message 28 of 151 (507122)
05-01-2009 4:58 PM
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04-29-2009 8:35 PM


No state will reasonably attempt to secede the United States in teh foreseeable future. Regardless of reactionary fearmongering and bleating about higher taxes (for the ultra-rich), no matter how loudly they screech about so-called expansion the the Federal government (well, unless somebody they like is in charge), there is no state in the Union that honestly thinks they can make it on their own better than with he rest of the US.
I imagine that is what many in the former Soviet Union said just before its collapse. There are similarities between the situation in the United States today and the former Soviet Union on the brink of collapse. The fear of poverty and instability can be a strong motivating factor. I'm not saying that secession is probable, just possible if conditions deteriorate enough.
Edited by alaninnont, : No reason given.

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Message 29 of 151 (507127)
05-01-2009 5:53 PM
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05-01-2009 4:58 PM


There are similarities between the situation in the United States today and the former Soviet Union on the brink of collapse.
Really? Mind actually detailing these similarities? And explaining how they are significant? There are very few significant similarities between the USSR in the late 1980s and the US in the 2000s, if any.
I imagine that is what many in the former Soviet Union said just before its collapse
I don't think anyone in or outside of the USSR really expected it to stay together by the time Gorbachev instituted glasnost and perestroika, among other reforms. They were merely hoping that the reforms would actually help hold the USSR together. They didn't expect the reforms to actually accelerate the process, though, of dissolution.

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Message 30 of 151 (507131)
05-01-2009 6:19 PM
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05-01-2009 4:58 PM


Radical Conclusion
I imagine that is what many in the former Soviet Union said just before its collapse. There are similarities between the situation in the United States today and the former Soviet Union on the brink of collapse. The fear of poverty and instability can be a strong motivating factor. I'm not saying that secession is probable, just possible if conditions deteriorate enough.
That is a pretty radical conclusion.
Could you expand on the thinking that leads you to this conclusion?

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