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Author Topic:   Who will be the next world power?
anglagard
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Message 26 of 151 (506873)
04-30-2009 12:18 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Artemis Entreri
04-29-2009 8:03 PM


Artemis Entreri writes:
the 1st time succession was more along geographical, and industrialized lines. If it happens again I would bet that Texas would not be the lone star in the amount of states trying to suceed, and the battle if the Union wished to take the fight against other states again would be fought on multiple fronts, in multiple states against multiple sucession causes.
To our readers of this forum outside of the US, it must seem pretty weird that there are still so-called patriots that preach for the destruction of the US. This is because of the first amendment to the Bill of Rights which allows anyone to say anything, no matter how supposedly treasonous or insulting to one's intelligence, to say exactly what they think.
It is only when one acts upon such stupidity that one is liable, or at least that is the way it is supposed to work.
As for our little separatist here, I can assure all of you that us Texas US military veterans know how to deal with this empty rhetoric once it turns into action.
It is important to note that the last time any moron stockpiled weapons in order to secede from the US, as in the case of the Texas Republic movement, they were all arrested with only one death to the separatists, due to the loyalty and superior police training of the Texas Rangers.
Unfortunately I can't say the same about the federal response of the FBI and ATF at Waco.
So I would say before you tell us who we are, you best understand what you will face.
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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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anglagard
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Message 27 of 151 (506876)
04-30-2009 12:55 AM


As toThe Next World Power
As to the next world power, that is obvious. It is the first power that takes control of the high ground as in Earth orbit or the Moon. As to which current nation due to such insight chooses to take that position, right now it may be anyone's guess.

  
anglagard
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Message 35 of 151 (507226)
05-03-2009 12:04 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by bluescat48
05-02-2009 11:43 PM


Re: Radical Conclusion
bluecat48 writes:
I disagree, the basic reason that 3rd parties don't succeed is that every third party in this country is either far right or far left (ie the Socialist Workers Party)or started by a disgruntled Republican or Democrat (ie George Wallace in 1968)who starts his own party hoping to get enough electoral votes to throw the race into the House of Representatives.
And I disagree. Was the Libertarian Party or the Reform Party too far left or too far right prior to being sabotaged from without? Did the Progressive Party of 1892 become centrist enough that their platform was appropriated by the Democratic Party in 1896? Was Theodore Roosevelt too far right or left when he out polled the Republicans in 1912?
But most important, was the Republican Party itself too far right or left when they ran as a third party in 1856 only to win a slightly less than 40% plurality in 1860?
In this case, I think you need to switch to a less broad paintbrush.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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anglagard
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Message 36 of 151 (507228)
05-03-2009 12:18 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by alaninnont
05-02-2009 7:04 PM


Re: Radical Conclusion
Kuresu writes:
Yeah, and the USSR had no freedom (actually, legally they did).
alaninnont writes:
That's overstating. They did have freedoms and some areas had quite a lot of them. My point was that both countries had/have decreasing freedoms.
Talk about overstating. Specifically what freedoms have actually decreased over time in the US? The freedom to enslave and kill blacks, kill American Indians and Mexicans without repercussion, and beat wives and children with impunity? Or would that also include the freedom to harass and even kill homosexuals?
Perhaps you mean the freedom to allow Robber Barons to force workers to labor for 12 hours per day, seven days a week? Or maybe the freedom of gangsters to control the alcohol, drug, and prostitution trade (well, in the case of the last two, our precious gangsters still have those freedoms).
Perhaps you mean the freedom to disenfranchise minorities and women from the vote.
Once again, too big a paintbrush, but in your case it is even worse as you have not sufficiently defined what 'loss of freedom' actually means nor have you taken into account the history of women and minorities in the US.
Please go back to the drawing board and define what you mean.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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