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Author Topic:   Will there be another "9/11" ?
Robert Byers
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Message 101 of 147 (142986)
09-17-2004 5:30 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by jar
09-17-2004 1:42 PM


Re: I'll be back Osama
This was a good list indeed of why there should of been no surprise at the top of your countries leadership. Indeed perhaps there wasn't perhaps there was a conspiricy. As follows. If I may as a Canadian.
Pat Buchanan in one of his books written before Al quaeda hit the towers or the Cole or the embassy bommbings in Africa warned of this group and even of possibility of them getting nuclear weapons.
In short this group itself was a understood serious threat. No surprise.
Well why would this group be ignored. Whose purpose could it serve to keep the greatest intelligence service in the world from keeping an eye on them.
The present war in Iraq is called by many not a American cause but a Neo conservative cause. Neo conservative is a morepolitically correct word for a large numbers of Jews who switched to The republican party in order to advance Jewish interests especially on behalf of Israel when it became clear the Democratic party wouldn't keep rule. Especially when Reagan came.
They are accused of being the real influence and agenda makers in the Bush administration and all not for America but for Israel. However this is kept quiet to avoid rejection by the people.
These neo conservatives before Bush were already infiltrating all top posts in D.C including Intelligence especially from the political side. And seeing that to involve the U.s more directly in fighting against the "enemies" of Israel like Syria and Iran (iraq just a precurser to the real event)required some great terroristic event to join with Israel against thier "terrorist" problem well is it possible, I say is it possible that they interfered at the top to close down intelligence at the top in the hope of a successful terrorist hit.
I don't know this and perhaps not but I do know these people are evil.
and a conspiricy would make more sence then an out of the blue senario.
Robert Byers
Toronto, Ontario

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Robert Byers
Member (Idle past 4399 days)
Posts: 640
From: Toronto,canada
Joined: 02-06-2004


Message 118 of 147 (143102)
09-18-2004 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Silent H
09-17-2004 6:21 PM


These neocon's attachment to Israel is not bizarre. They are Jews and thier identity/loyalty is to thier own people. Also Jews who support the Democratic party depending on the motives of each individual. They are being consistent. The point being a person whos loyalty is not to thier own country/people (and here it should be the americans) is evidence of having rejected the agreement for being allowed into anothers man's country in the first place.
In short they are being traitorous and not just in this issue.
In all ways at all times do Jews in America who hold out of all prorportion influence and power push America for the gain of Israel.
100 billion dollars over the last two decades and all policies in the middle east are all with Israel in mind. Not America and mankind.
I suggest a counting of heads at the top of the Bush administration will reveal a Jewish presence greater then even in Democratic circles.
The war against Iraq as you have said or hinted at was only to remove a opponent of Israel as the attention on Iran and Syria likewise.
Not a threat to America or WMD but a threat (andit wasn't) to Israel.
The American people are the blood and money to keep Israeli soldiers fine. President Bush and company actually did deceive the American people about motives for war in Iraq (Afghanistan is fine) because they don't trust the American people to hold such affection for Israel as they do to such loss of life and limb.
So they pretented it was about fighting terrorists of America.
I notice Bush and company are now saying it is a war against terrorism (read all terrorists even unrelated to hostility to America). They only mean Israel problems not the world and not originaly to protect America. They wickedly lied about a serious matter and historical inquirery is needed they are being outed by many even right now. like you and me.
And I am a right wing conservative Reagan lover evangelical Christian type who found out this without promting.
All the best
Robert Byers
Toronto,Ontario

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Robert Byers
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Posts: 640
From: Toronto,canada
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Message 137 of 147 (143668)
09-21-2004 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Silent H
09-18-2004 6:07 PM


Actually most neoconservatives that matter (not just regular people supporters) are Jewish with only a few other people around. And I know these people are so inbedded in the very heavy Jewish culture in these circles as to be not Jewish in name only. I would question that there are any or many Evangelical Neo cons. Evangelical support for Israel has nothing to do with neo-cons culture. Also perhaqps I'm wrong but I thought Wolfowitz was Jewish.And Asghcroft and Bush just tag along the real mccoy.
You suggest I tone down the Jewish angle but group motives is a real thing. As a evangelical Christian we are always without any criticism said to be this or doing that in political/social agendas. The group motive is a real thing as saying Blacks vote Democratic for a Black agenda and Southerners for a Southern agenda. Only the charge should be scruntized not the concept of group think.
Also the Jewish agenda in American politics especially in regards to Israel is common. Only different ideas on how to proceed. The Jewish agenda has dominated American foreign policy imore then any other agenda except the fight against the cold war. Follow the money. Over 100 billion to Israel in a few decades. No other people in history or now however distressed can claim such interest.
Jewish control and influence has brought American workers money to thier other counrty's gain with malice all around to Americans and mankind. Follow the money.
The Jewish angle is the great angle of the times and history will judge so. Its not just neocons. This whole 9/11 thing is the result of a long interference in middle east affairs for Jewish pride and gain. Not American values or mankinds relief. This is the truth and as a former Israel supporter and close observer and well wisher of the conservative cause I INSIST this is the great problem. Everything else about these matters is a waste of words by the people who are censered ,as far as can be, from the truth.
r in Iraq was evil and future wars for Israel also will be and bring trouble to America and not relief.
Rob

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Robert Byers
Member (Idle past 4399 days)
Posts: 640
From: Toronto,canada
Joined: 02-06-2004


Message 143 of 147 (144120)
09-23-2004 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Rei
09-21-2004 3:51 PM


I didn't know thier were 60000 employees in AIPAC. Are you sure of this number? It seems impossible. It also would not be needed as i discovered the Jewish element moves carefully thru small circles and very quietly unless they can't help it.
This groups strength however does show what I discovered and never knew before. That Jews are loyal to themselves and not to the people/country they live in. And everything they do is consistent with this idea. When they interfere and manipulate American power and will for Israel it is because they are working on behalf of thier people; thier real country.
It is a breck in the agreement of thier acceptance into your country and acceptance by Americans to them as fellow Americans.
It is injustice. It is still hidden. It is a great problem.
Rob

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Robert Byers
Member (Idle past 4399 days)
Posts: 640
From: Toronto,canada
Joined: 02-06-2004


Message 144 of 147 (144121)
09-23-2004 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by Silent H
09-21-2004 3:58 PM


Indeed I don't mean all Jews are bad or disloyal. Let each man be judged separately in all things.
However it is my observation that most Jews are not American in loyalty or identity and so act consistantly fon behalf of thier people. Whether in America or Israel. The Israel matter is just another manifestation of this.
Jews in America didn't come from Israel and so thier attachment shows people are not loyal to thier country but rather to ones people. It just in the past worked out to be the same thing. It is so important it needs to be discussed how to correct it
Rob

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