What Is "Intellectual Dishonesty"?

I'd expand upon that, to state that intellectual dishonesty is adopting a false position or misleading - either yours or one that is supposedly your opponents' - when you know that it is false.

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Thank you for giving an example of my position.You see, whatever knows very well that people who believe in evolution don't date old fossils based on C14 dating and have many other methods instead that they use to date fossils, most of which have built-in error checking, etc. And some date layers, while others date the fossils, and they often are both used, and almost always match up.In short, whatever knows that what he was stating was not what scientists believe, but presented it anyway. Consequently, he was giving us a good example of intellectual dishonesty. Thank you, whatever.This message has been edited by Rei, 09-29-2004 01:52 PM

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Hey - the bible says that homosexuality is an abomination! End of story, case closed. If we allow homosexuality, we'll have to allow other abominations, like eating shellfish.

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Rei, How do you date a fossil imprint, if nothing remains but the imprint, or the bones that has no C14 remaining within the bones, what other dating method do they use to date bones, etc...

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This is really an issue for a Dates and Dating thread. Just some basic summary: there are a number of different types of fossilization. Often there is an infil of material into the cavity, which at the very least cannot infil the cavity until after the cavity is formed. The leeching of material into a cavity often changes the rock around the cavity as well, and this too can sometimes be dated. Some dating methods look not at the bulk minerals that surround the fossil, but at the minerals formed when it was cemeted together. Sometimes you're looking at fossils in metamorphic rocks, for which you can tell that the rocks changed state at least after the fossil was layed down, and date the change of state. Sometimes you have basaltic layers above and below a fossil; you can date the basaltic layers, because the minerals aren't just going to be stuffed between long thin sheets after they're formed and cooled (even in a flood scenario ). Etc.There are several dozen ways to date fossils, and your strawman isn't one of them. I would be surprised if you hadn't already been told that about 10 times; consequently, stating it yet again would be intellectual dishonesty, were that the case.This message has been edited by Rei, 09-29-2004 02:32 PM

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Not to mention, that Christians eat shellfish all the time - sometimes while railing about homosexuality

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Off the top of my head:1. Filling the human need for relationships among those who otherwise would have no relationship.2. Reducing the rate of accidental pregnancies and (hopefully) the population growth rate and the amount of children growing up to couples forced together by an "accident".Would you care to list the disadvantages?

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Well, I would happen to be in one such couple (not 20+ years mind you, but going on 5 years), so I would be glad to add my input once the thread is approved.

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You see more examples of intellectual dihonesty, like if the media were being fair, they would of been plastering Mr. Kerry for not releasing his complete naval medical and military records, this is intellectual dishonesty, to favor one candidate over the other.

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See, now, I don't believe this is intellectual dishonesty. I think that Whatever honestly believes that Kerry's full record hasn't been released (although it would be nice to hear from him sometime as to what documents, exactly, he thinks haven't been released).

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Martha Stewart ... Dan Rather ...

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Well, Martha Stewart deliberately withheld information that she knew. Dan Rather never knew the information about the true sorce of the documents (only that it came from a TANG leader). Consequently, the former is intellectual dishonesty, and the latter isn't.On the other hand, your comments about how Kerry hasn't been working enough, knowing how much vacation Bush has taken, clearly *are* intellectual dishonesty (unless you don't know about how much time Bush has taken on vacation, or you like being a hypocrite).This message has been edited by Rei, 09-30-2004 09:07 PM

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