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frako
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Message 33 of 93 (607650)
03-05-2011 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Buzsaw
03-05-2011 3:42 PM


Re: Ice Age Speculation & Conjecture
Evidence for ice ages
Geological evidence for ice ages comes in various forms, including rock scouring and scratching, glacial moraines, drumlins, valley cutting, and the deposition of till or tillites and glacial erratics. Successive glaciations tend to distort and erase the geological evidence, making it difficult to interpret. Furthermore, this evidence was difficult to date exactly; early theories assumed that the glacials were short compared to the long interglacials. The advent of sediment and ice cores revealed the true situation: glacials are long, interglacials short. It took some time for the current theory to be worked out.
The chemical evidence mainly consists of variations in the ratios of isotopes in fossils present in sediments and sedimentary rocks and ocean sediment cores. For the most recent glacial periods ice cores provide climate proxies from their ice, and atmospheric samples from included bubbles of air. Because water containing heavier isotopes has a higher heat of evaporation, its proportion decreases with colder conditions. This allows a temperature record to be constructed. However, this evidence can be confounded by other factors recorded by isotope ratios.
The paleontological evidence consists of changes in the geographical distribution of fossils. During a glacial period cold-adapted organisms spread into lower latitudes, and organisms that prefer warmer conditions become extinct or are squeezed into lower latitudes. This evidence is also difficult to interpret because it requires (1) sequences of sediments covering a long period of time, over a wide range of latitudes and which are easily correlated; (2) ancient organisms which survive for several million years without change and whose temperature preferences are easily diagnosed; and (3) the finding of the relevant fossils.
Despite the difficulties, analyses of ice core and ocean sediment coreshas shown periods of glacials and interglacials over the past few million years. These also confirm the linkage between ice ages and continental crust phenomena such as glacial moraines, drumlins, and glacial erratics. Hence the continental crust phenomena are accepted as good evidence of earlier ice ages when they are found in layers created much earlier than the time range for which ice cores and ocean sediment cores are available.
Ice age - Wikipedia
Typical example of a valley formed by flowing water or a river valley.
Typical example of a valley formed by a glacier
notice the diference between the 2 one is V shaped and one is U shaped, now there is more evidence then just the shape of the vally to determine it was made by a glacier forgot some of it cause i learned this 15 years ago in primary school around the age of 10. And if you ever to happen to visit a country that still has some glaciers you can go and have a look at how they look like and you can see that they are making U shaped vallies.
And nowhere in the world rivers make those kind of vallies they make V shaped vallies.
So in one swoop i provided you whit evidence for ice ages and evidence that rivers cannot make and do not make U shaped valleys. Ergo ice ages happened and the flood could not have produced the valley features we see today.

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frako
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Message 38 of 93 (607972)
03-08-2011 6:18 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Robert Byers
03-08-2011 4:57 AM


so um how do creationist explain that no bunny rabbits are found before the boundry, or dogs, cows, human,.....
If your "theory" was right then we should find fossils of those animals beneath the boundary
how do creationists explain the lack of evidence for a young earth and tones of evidence for an old earth
how do creationist explain the lack of evidence for a global flood and tones of evidence to suport the statment that there was no global flood.
Al you creos have is your bronze age myths from a book writen by goat herders, and sometimes you distort the facts so much that i dare call you liars.

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frako
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Message 63 of 93 (608536)
03-11-2011 3:16 AM
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03-10-2011 2:15 AM


The fauna below the k-t line or as this creationist sees it the flood line is exactly what one should expect to find.
ORLY you find human fossils, bunny rabbit fossils, cow fossils, dog fossils, .... All of that below the k-t line NO YOU DONT saying otherwise is a LIE, and that is what you expect to find if there where a global flood 6000 years ago.
What we find is neatly ordered species to their timescale that fits rather neatly with evolution.
Look at this picture see the small dot for humans thats how long we have been around, we do not even come close to the K-t boundary, claiming that we where there before the boundary is at best a stab in the dark because of uneducated people, at worst an outright LIE.
before the flood there was no rabbits but simply the rabbit was of a kind that isn't recognized or found in the record. And so on.
Lol are you saying the grate ancestor of a rabbit then EVOLVED in to rabbits?

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frako
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Message 67 of 93 (609037)
03-16-2011 5:07 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by Robert Byers
03-16-2011 4:08 AM


No. The only way to have fossilization is from great mechanisms.
So by the time of the great post flood fossilization event the dinos had vanished. unless some simply adapted a bit and were the later creatures but not recognized. this is another option.
I see the dinos and others as part of the unclean group and since the ark was a ratio of surviving clean/unclean 12:2 then it fits nicely to see the complete post flood overthrow of the old unclean dominance before the flood.
There are no actual dino creature group. there are just kinds. simply like mammals or reptiles kinds tend to have like features for like needs. So there were the kinds that today they call dinos on the ark.
You still haveto provide evidence of humans living at the time of dinosaurs, cause the way science seas it we arived 60 million years later, no evidence at all that any tipe of human lived during the time of dinsaurs not one bone, tool, ..... was found in the period of the dinosaurs that could be tied to humans.
neither is any modern species

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frako
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Message 82 of 93 (615290)
05-12-2011 4:53 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by Robert Byers
05-12-2011 4:00 AM


Ok firstly what are kinds some definition please
Lets say cats are a kind do they include tigers, pumas, lions ... or only the small cats, does this kind incloude its distant cousin dogs or are they anoter kind.
In the same respect are the human kind only humans or do they include apes too what about monkeys ?
I say seals are just bears.
umm so this
belongs to the same kind as
umm what then are the boundaries of a kind ?
Edited by frako, : No reason given.

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