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Straggler Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Mod writes: I think the human race and human experience would suffer if we decided to cancel the Olympics. I do to. But it could definitely do with some "de-corporitisation" and be made more "for the people" rather than such a massive VIP get-together. But I don't know how we might go about doing that....
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2505 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
dronester writes: What is this? "National Irony Day"? My sarcasm was warranted because I knew that you were implying something that you couldn't support. And, of course, you won't be able to support what you were implying with your "coincidence" comment, will you? Are you going to give us evidence that the BBC was intentionally breaking the rules under which it operates, or not?
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Mod writes: That was earth humour. Ahhh. A winking emoticon is often useful. I am guilty of not using them often enough too.
Mod writes: Yes, probably [found it amusing]. Ok. Again a winking emoticon or expanded thought would have been helpful. Or perhaps a quoted "yes" to tip me off.
Mod writes: That wasn't the only value in the Olympic games - there was all the buildings built, and infrastructure improvements, and the sport itself, of course. Good, thanks, that reply is more helpful to understand your argument.
Mod writes: Did you think I'm a fucking moron or something? No, of course not. I am usually most pleased with your attentive responses, however, your recent replies are not as careful/thoughtful as they usually are.
Mod writes: I think the human race and human experience would suffer if we decided to cancel the Olympics. Then perhaps a compromise is best. Maybe a price tag of one billion pounds would be sufficient?
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
BG writes: My sarcasm was warranted Ahh, so this is "National Exceptionalism Day."
BG writes: Are you going to give us evidence that the BBC was intentionally breaking the rules under which it operates, or not? That is a queer question when I had already stated:
Drone writes:
It is theoretically possible the following was an 'accident':
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2505 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
dronester writes: That is a queer question when I had already stated: It is theoretically possible the following was an 'accident': Do you mean that that phrase wasn't meant to imply that it probably was not an accident? Your reply to my conspiracy comment seems to indicate that you think that the BBC was involved in corruption. If it was, heads should roll, which is why I'm asking you for evidence. Got any?
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Drone writes: It is theoretically possible the following was an 'accident': Your replies seem to imply you want to attack my quoted opinion more than the much bigger issue that the DOW corporation is getting publicity and giving sponsorship to Olympic games that have hypocritically promoted themselves as the greenest Olympic games in history.
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2505 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined:
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dronester writes: Your replies seem to imply you want to attack my quoted opinion more than the much bigger issue that the DOW corporation is getting publicity and giving sponsorship to Olympic games that have hypocritically promoted themselves as the greenest Olympic games in history. Note that I did not argue against your views on DOW, its environmental record, or its appropriateness in the Olympics at all. But it's only natural that I should be interested in what seemed to me to be an only slightly veiled accusation of corruption in another corporation of which I happen to be part owner, and whose standards of behaviour are important to me. As for corporate sponsorship of the Olympics by DOW or anyone else, I'd do away with it entirely. The companies pass the costs onto consumers anyway, so the idea that we get things cheaper in this way is actually an illusion. In fact, the cost of the billboard is passed on too. We could put a Olympics tax on large companies instead, which would also get passed on to consumers in the same way, but at least we'd save the bloody billboard costs.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3741 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Panda writes:
If you want to make up some shit, you'll have to do it yourself.dronester writes:
As expected, you didn't need my help with making up more baseless shit. It seems you made up baseless shit yourself. /golfclap"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1053 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
Hee. Yeah, you're right bluegenes, it was crazy for me to think the Olympic organizers or a major corporate network would actually care about a very, very, very, very, very rich sponsor/client. As if money could somehow be, . . . . gasp, . . . influential or corrupting. What was I thinking? Dow is not a sponsor or client of the BBC, though. The BBC doesn't have any sponsors - it's paid for out of public funds.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
caffeine writes: Dow is not a sponsor or client of the BBC, though. The BBC doesn't have any sponsors - it's paid for out of public funds. Hi Caffeine, Can there be 100% separation between an event that is FULLY corporate sponsored and the media which is covering the corporate sponsored event. The recent BBC gaff is but one possible way for contamination to happen. (Of all the corporations to get a free plug, it just had to be DOW?, grrr.) But, Ok, thanks for the information Caffeine.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined:
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Link writes: The BBC was forced to reposition cameras in its London 2012 Olympic Park studio, after giving free advertising to controversial official sponsor Dow Chemical in the buildup to Danny Boyle's opening ceremony. BBC production staff had to make the hurried adjustment after a Dow Chemical giant billboard wrap on the outside of the Westfield Stratford shopping centre was clearly visible to viewers through the studio window during the Opening Ceremony Countdown programme on Friday 27 July. They were alerted to the inadvertent gaffe, which breaks the BBC's editorial guidelines, in time to shift the camera positions for the 9am BBC1 Olympics show the following morning, Saturday 28 July. "As soon as we became aware that there was undue prominence for a commercial brand within camera shot, we changed the angle of the camera," said a spokesman for the BBC. Link Drone writes: Can there be 100% separation between an event that is FULLY corporate sponsored and the media which is covering the corporate sponsored event. Probably not. But most broadcasters embrace or exploit the sponsorship angle whereas the BBc often goes to vaguely ridiculous lengths to try and avoid it.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Mod writes:
I think the human race and human experience would suffer if we decided to cancel the Olympics.Strag writes:
When I read your reply, I thought of Charlton Heston's monologue in the original "Planet of the Apes" movie . . .
I do to.quote: Maybe you don't find the quote relative at all. Regardless, can you expand your thought? How would the human race and human experience suffer if the olympics were canceled?
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
STRAG writes: But most broadcasters embrace or exploit the sponsorship angle whereas the BBc often goes to vaguely ridiculous lengths to try and avoid it. If the BBC TRULY wanted to go to ridiculous lengths to avoid corporate sponsors, then perhaps they would only allow the corporate media to cover corporate sponsored events? I liked Bluegenes suggestion . . .
BG writes:
As for corporate sponsorship of the Olympics by DOW or anyone else, I'd do away with it entirely.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
The corporate media is constantly campaigning to remove the BBC from broadcasting anything that people actually want to watch. It pisses them off considerably that the BBC does cover such events and that people would rather watch the BBC coverage of such things. For this reason, even if no other, I would retain the BBC coverage of the Olympics.
And I agree with Bluegenes regarding corporate sponsorship too..
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
I asked the same question to Straggler but he seemed to have difficulty replying . . .
Mod writes: I think the human race and human experience would suffer if we decided to cancel the Olympics. Strag writes: I do to. When I read your replies, I thought of Charlton Heston's monologue in the original "Planet of the Apes" movie . . .
quote: Maybe you don't find the quote relative at all. Regardless, can you expand your thought? How would the human race and human experience suffer if the olympics were canceled?
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