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molbiogirl
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Message 86 of 325 (404740)
06-09-2007 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by RAZD
06-09-2007 12:07 PM


Re: Overall Health
RAZD,
First, let me say that I have you in my thoughts. And I wish I could jump on the grid to help with the research, but I'm not sure my machine can be of help. I have a MacBook Pro and it's closed [and therefore off] most of the time. Does that matter?
Oh. And fyi ... I did a bit of googling and tracked down Whitaker Wellness on the quackwatch.org list. Just so you know.

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molbiogirl
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Message 94 of 325 (404789)
06-09-2007 7:28 PM
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06-09-2007 1:38 PM


Re: Overall Health
All joined up!
I chose:
World Community Grid
That's the right one, yes?

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molbiogirl
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Message 96 of 325 (404792)
06-09-2007 7:46 PM
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06-09-2007 7:34 PM


Re: Overall Health
Uh oh.
I didn't see that button.
Can I go back and do that?

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molbiogirl
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Message 98 of 325 (404795)
06-09-2007 8:04 PM
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06-09-2007 7:58 PM


Re: WorldGrid
Weee!
Did it!

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molbiogirl
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Message 101 of 325 (404822)
06-09-2007 11:54 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by Buzsaw
06-09-2007 10:24 PM


Re: Double Blind Study
The problem with double blind studies is that it's hard to do one on the wholistic approach which treats the body by detoxification, building up the immune system, overall diet via nutrition and multiple suplements et al.
Why would devising a double blind study be difficult?
Edited by molbiogirl, : No reason given.

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molbiogirl
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Message 127 of 325 (405470)
06-13-2007 2:17 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by Buzsaw
06-12-2007 11:14 PM


Re: SDAs Live Longer
Here are the cites from the article Buz pointed out.
10. The Adventist Health Study, School of Health, Loma Linda University, Loma Linda, California, 1978.
11. J. Berkel and F. DeWaard, “Mortality Pattern and Life Expectancy of Seventh-day Adventists in the Netherlands,” International Journal of Epidemiology 12 (1983):455-459.
12. H. Waaler and P. F. Hjort, “Hoyere levealder hos Norske Adventister 1960-1977: Er budskap om livstil og hels? (Low Mortality Among Norwegian Seventh-day Adventists, 1960-1977: A Message on Lifestyle and Health),” Tedsskr Nor Laegeforen 101 (1981): 623-627.
13. W. Jedrychowski, B. Tobiasz-Adamczyk, A. Olma, and P. Gradziliewicz, “Survival Rates Among Seventh-day Adventists Compared With the General Population in Poland,” Scandinavian Journal of Socialised Medicine, 13 (1985): 49-52.
Here's the abstract for the second cite.
It appears the authors concluded that "no cigarette smoking" was the reason SDA live longer (with a smidge of less colon cancer thrown in).
I'd like to note that in the 24 years since this paper was published, it has been cited 3 times.
The first cite is not to be found in pubmed.
This cite, however, is found in pubmed: Serum cholesterol levels of Seventh-day Adventists.
Nothing special in these results. SDA not so different from ordinary folks.
And there is this cite in pubmed: Blood pressure in Seventh-day Adventist vegetarians.
Again. Nothing special. SDA bp was less than ordinary folks, but the authors don't have any specific reason why.
It appeared unlikely that these differences could be explained by differences in alcohol, tobacco, tea, coffee or egg consumption, socioeconomic status or physical activity.
The third cite, again. Nowhere to be found.
However, this cite is a reprint of an American Journal of Epidemiology article entitled: Coronary Risk Factors in Norwegian Seventh-day Adventists: A Study of 247 Seventh-day Adventists and Matched Controls.
No difference in men, some in women.
The fourth cite can be found here.
SDA men and women live longer. This one held up to its promise.
But I also found this: Cancer incidence in norwegian seventh-day adventists 1961 to 1986. Is the cancer-life-style association overestimated?
Nada. Bupkis. SDA no better than general population.
I'm sure I could keep looking, but so far, the evidence is far from overwhelming. I would even venture to say inconclusive.

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molbiogirl
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Message 164 of 325 (448557)
01-13-2008 11:50 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by Tanypteryx
01-13-2008 8:51 PM


Re: Thanks ...
The treatment is pretty straight forward. A solution containing Bovine Tuberculosis Bascillus is injected into the bladder and held for a couple hours.
Well, I'll be dogged. That's a new one on me. Are there other treatments that you must endure along with liquid fire or is it just the TB?
Compared to many people, you could say I have a pretty mild case and I certainly do not face the ordeal that you and many other have had to endure.
Hey. Cancer is cancer. No picnic anyway you slice it.
Keep us updated. I haven't any prayers either -- but all 10 of my fingers and all 10 of my toes are crossed!
Hey. I just thought of something. Can't they knock you out during the procedure? I mean, is there a medical reason why you have to stay awake?

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molbiogirl
Member (Idle past 2748 days)
Posts: 1909
From: MO
Joined: 06-06-2007


Message 165 of 325 (448559)
01-13-2008 11:52 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by RAZD
01-11-2008 9:08 PM


Re: Update
RAZD, this isn't going to come out right but ...
You are pretty!

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