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NOT JULIUS Member (Idle past 4504 days) Posts: 219 From: Rome Joined: |
Hi Catholic Scientist & the rest,
Catholic, I hope you'll pardon me if I used your thread to join the discussion? I hope to contribute my dime's worth of thinking on the subject. quote: IMHO, not everything legal is valid. For example, if all lawmakers and the president would pass a law prohibiting huricanes, that law would be legal but not valid. Simply because it violates natural law. The same thing with same sex marriage. That law although legal is invalid. It contradicts the law of nature. Phsiologically, the sex organs of male and female were made for each other. Too, these are designed for procreation. just my thought,Pat
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NOT JULIUS Member (Idle past 4504 days) Posts: 219 From: Rome Joined: |
Thanks, blues.
quote:Man pokes his stick to a hole that should produce babies. No two sticks can produce babies, neither can two holes produce babies. Simple. quote:I think that a male penis entering a female vagina and producing babies is not a scientific theory but a fact. Or, did I miss your point?
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NOT JULIUS Member (Idle past 4504 days) Posts: 219 From: Rome Joined: |
Hi Dr J,
quote:No, they are perfectly legal. Protects the nudist from bugs. Too, its safety issue, I guess. Imagine what traffic would be if you allow nudists to roam free on a busy street? Pat
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NOT JULIUS Member (Idle past 4504 days) Posts: 219 From: Rome Joined: |
Dr J,
quote:Clothing is natural. We seek protection from bugs, from the elements. On the other hand, poking a stick with a stick is not natural.
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NOT JULIUS Member (Idle past 4504 days) Posts: 219 From: Rome Joined: |
Hi Ru,
[quote]Is reproduction the sole reason for marriage though?[quote]
No, but it is (or should be) the main reason for marriage.
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NOT JULIUS Member (Idle past 4504 days) Posts: 219 From: Rome Joined: |
Hi Ru,
quote: No but it is (or should be) the main reason for marriage, I think. But even if some would not agree that procreation is not the main reason for marriage, Just take a look at the physiological make up of the sex organs. Penis is to vagina by nature. Penis to penis / vagina to vagina is just not natural. Pat
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NOT JULIUS Member (Idle past 4504 days) Posts: 219 From: Rome Joined: |
sorry double post
Edited by Great J, : No reason given.
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NOT JULIUS Member (Idle past 4504 days) Posts: 219 From: Rome Joined: |
Hello L,
quote: I don't get the joke about me or you eaten by zebra when we were ten. I'm sorry, I'm not american. But, americans are also subject to natural laws, eh? The point is: human laws are invalid if they go against natural law.
quote: I respectfully disagree. I think there were cases of marriage annullments (divorce) that were granted because the female vagina is too small or that it caused discomforts to the couples. If you are concerned about property rights of gays, then amending marriage laws is not the answer. Try, strengthening partnership laws, for example.
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NOT JULIUS Member (Idle past 4504 days) Posts: 219 From: Rome Joined: |
Hello S,
quote: Needs clarification. Men enter into marriage for the main reason--and there are other reasons--of reproducing.It is their natural urge to reproduce--that's why they have the so called "father / mother instinct". The need to have, care, and love children that came from their own bodies.
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NOT JULIUS Member (Idle past 4504 days) Posts: 219 From: Rome Joined: |
Hi S,
quote: I think you miss the point. Man made laws should not go against natural laws. It is NOT about natural things in general vs. unnatural things. Its about laws. Natural law says that no man should do violence (e.g rape) to his fellow or he/she'll suffer consequence. So, the law penalizing rape is perfectly in harmony with natural law. Natural laws says that males are made for females--their genitals, their temperament, their aspirations (e.g their need to procreate with the opposite sex whom they love) are complementary to each other. So, human laws limiting marriage to a man and woman is in harmony with natural law. Coversely, same sex marriage is against natural law. Edited by Great J, : No reason given.
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NOT JULIUS Member (Idle past 4504 days) Posts: 219 From: Rome Joined: |
quote: :=)Your argument is one based on absurdity. Is being discourteous not against natural law? What about cannibalism--is this not also against natural law? I think human behavior--e.g discourtesy, cannibalism, rape, etc--are also subject to natural laws and human laws. The point that I've been stressing is that human laws should not violate natural law. If a human law is passed legalizing cannibalism then that is repugnant to natural law or even plain common sense. Again, natural law says that males are made for females. Their genitals, aspirations (e.g. the urge to have babies with the opposite sex they love) are complementary to each other,i.e. in harmony with natural law. So, human laws that restrict marriages to man and woman is perfectly in harmony with natural law. Conversely, same sex marriages is repugnant to natural law. It's that simple.
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NOT JULIUS Member (Idle past 4504 days) Posts: 219 From: Rome Joined: |
Hello Rr,
You : quote: In other jurisdictions, yes they allow marriage annullment based on incapcity to reproduce. And, the reason is to allow the fertile one to have progeny. And, that is perfectly in harmony with natural law. Wise and cautious couples also undergo "RH factor" test ( not sure of exact term)to determine if they'll bear healthy children. If not, they don't push through with the marriage. And, that is perfectly in harmony with natural law.
quote: Natural law also favors showing love and care for children of others. So, human adoption laws that encourage love and care for children of others are in harmony with natural law.
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NOT JULIUS Member (Idle past 4504 days) Posts: 219 From: Rome Joined: |
T,
quote: The urge to explore and exploit space for economic reason is not against natural law.
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NOT JULIUS Member (Idle past 4504 days) Posts: 219 From: Rome Joined: |
R:
quote: Natural laws as applied to human behaviour. Although humans have practiced cannibalism, it was not natural. They went against the natural law humans urge to live in harmony. Here is a good definition of natural law: "A law or body of laws that derives from nature and is believed to be binding upon human actions apart from or in conjunction with laws established by human authority." Key words: law(s) derive from nature...binding upon human actions apart from or in conjunction with laws established by human authority. Prominent jurists have held that: human laws should not go against laws of nature. Edited by Great J, : No reason given.
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NOT JULIUS Member (Idle past 4504 days) Posts: 219 From: Rome Joined: |
Taz writes:
quote: Human desires--such as exploration and exploitation--if not harmful are not against natural law. The desire to eat if carried out by eating healthy foods is not against natural law. But, if you eat unhealthy foods you eventually get sick and that is against natural law. Again, government laws prohibiting junk food in schools are perfectly in line with natural law. To seek a lifelong companionship with someone you are physically attracted--that mating desire--is not against natural law. What is repugnant to natural law is that if that mating desire is directed towards the same sex. As discussed earlier, the anatomy of the male and female bodies, their aspirations are complementary. On the other hand, male to male or female to female relationships goes against their very anatomy.
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