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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: That's because you're not holmes, berberry. How dare you complain about gaybashing when there are also anti-porn sentiments in existence?
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: What I was implying was that you do seem to try to include porn and/or sex into every topic possible, no matter how tangentially related it might be. And it wasn't a real insult. Just a little tease. Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: lol! What am I, some fluffer?
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: You mean these men?:
Or the man whi installed these urinals, and the hundreds of men who used them and didn't say a word about them?
Oh wait, none of these men are represented as specifically gay, but they routinely gather in large arenas and stadiums and act utterly emotionally immature.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
And let's not forget hyst a few of the ones killed for being gay:
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
I do accept your explanation regarding the cultural difference regarding whimsy in bathroom fixtures.
I do, however, think it's a bit naive to be surprised that nobody would think that putting open mouths (that appeared to me like a woman's with red lipstick on) over men's urinals would be off-putting to many. Perhaps it is such a "US" attitude because there is a long history of the acceptance and manufacture of such objects here with the definite intent to degrade or demean. I mean, there are many companies devoted to selling nothing but rude, degrading sexist, racist, and gay-hating t-shirts, for example.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Er, by your definition, I've been living in big sin for about 20 years, since I don't accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. And yet, I have just celebrated 14 years of marriage, I've found and enjoyed a fulfilling career for almost as long, I continue to learn new things and enjoy good health and a great deal of happiness. I want for nothing, and nothing is missing in my life.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
I get everything you are saying, but look at it this way; in the US, violence against oppressed groups is the norm. Maybe in the Netherlands, people can wear T-shirts like this:
and nobody thinks they are offensive, but here in America, it's a terrible reminder that crimes literally exactly like this happen with regularity.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: The meaning is not inherent? A male figure is literally throwing away a female figure, head first, into a garbage can. How does that not allude to a crime?
quote: Er, I don't find it drastic at all to get to an interpretation of "crude, rude, and derogatory" from pretending that you are urinating into someone's mouth.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Well, to me it alludes very strongly to a serial rapist/murderer of women.
quote: If there was a smiling mouth on the face of Jesus on each toilet, do you think it would be reasonable for Christians to get offended? I mean, Jesus is smiling and happy while people piss into his mouth; apparently he likes it. I mean, come on, holmes. "To piss on" somebody or something is a put-down; an insult.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So, when did you choose to be sexually attracted to women and not men? How old were you, and how many men did you sleep with or get turned on by before turning that off and deciding to get hot with women instead?
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Er, speak for yourself, bucko.
quote: Both marital status and fatherhood are major, major references to sexuality.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Sure. People make all sorts of stuff like that and sell it and think it's humorous.
quote: It's a mouth holmes. A person's open mouth. A human mouth is different than a flower or a bunch of paintings. It's the same reason people I used to work with had no problem slicing up corned beef but freaked out when they had to slice beef tongue. The tongue looks exactly like...a tongue. Like, a larger version of what we have, and looking at it gave many people, including myself, a very viceral feeling. We know exactly where that thing used to be in the head of that animal because it's in roughly the same place in our head. To see it disembodied and to peel it and touch it and slice it up is a mite unsettling. The brisket, by contrast, is just some random hunk of cooked meat. It doesn't bother anybody to cut up a head of broccoli, because we cannot relate to it the way we do the tongue. Similarly, pretending to piss on a flower is not anywhere close to pretending to piss in a human mouth. We can relate.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: OK. What species does it represent if it isn't a representative of a human mouth? Fish? Bird? Elephant? Lobster?
quote: To clarify, the shirts I linked to were: A cartoon figure of a black man in a shirt and tie with a frightened look on his face, sprinting away from a number of hooded KKK figures who are also running and reaching out as if to grab him. The caption "Run Obama run" is underneath. To me, this is a shirt that portrays the lynching of black men by the KKK as funny. A depiction of the stick figure people, a woman on her back with her arms over her head and her legs in the air and a man situated as to imply he is penetrating her with the words "I am a Registered Sex Offender" next to the figures. To me, this is supposed to be interpreted as a representation of how the wearer rapes women. Three words on the last one; "No Means Go", which to me is supposed to mean that the wearer believes that when a woman says no to his sexual advances, he is to interpret that as her wanting him to continue. Or, on a different level, it is a backlash against all of those uppity women who came up with the "No means No" slogan. How dare they not be sexually available to men at all times? I found them at Access denied Your question asked if the people who made this shirt could possibly have really intended it to indicate the killing and dumping of women's bodies, and that they thought this would be humorous. You seemed to be rather surprised or incredulous that a company would actually create or sell a shirt like that. My actual answer is that I don't know exactly what they intended, and neither do you, but the fact that one can easily find shirts that abolutely glorify and make light of crimes against women (and others) and portray such acts as humorous should settle any incredulity you might have over any company doing this. It is just as likely as not, then, that they did indeed want to imply the killing and dumping of women. I do, of course acknowledge the methaphorical interpretation of "love em and leave em". But I also think that it's not unlikely that they were also going for the double entendre of literally discarding disposable women, dead, in the garbage. I mean, it wouldn't be anywhere near as offensive or shocking if it didn't imply that, and that's the sort of thing these companies specialize in. Edited by schrafinator, : fixed link
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