Iran hangs 16 year old girl: Sharia at work.

randman, Oh, like the 10 commandments & anything else that tells us what to do in the OT?Deut 22:23 does not specify a time limit. The penalty for adultery is death by stoning, god says so. God doesn't say the penalty for adultery is death by stoning until XYZ date where it merely becomes grounds for divorce.Mark

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iano, The point is that christianity can be as violent in its retribution as Islam. Allah said so, so it's OK, right?MarkEdited by mark24, : No reason given.

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So Mark, you think theonomy is correct?I think certainly adultery is wrong, but stating the Bible demands stoning today for adultery is highly dubious. Moreover, the OT demanded both the woman and man be punished, not just the woman, as is the typical Muslim practice.But I think it's clear what is going on. You guys hate Christianity so much you won't admit unequivocally that what occurs in iran is wrong, but have to try to falsely smear Christianity, suggesting wrongly that Christianity and Christians support stoning 16 year old girls.Sorry, but no one but the choir buys your preaching.

Randman, Wrong, what's going on in Iran is evil bullshit. I am not smearing christianity, I am merely juxtaposing Sharia law with the same evil bullshit in the bible. That you can't handle that your religious books can be just as bad is your problem, not mine.Shame you can't see the wood for the trees.Secondly, why don't christians support stoning adulterers? Are christians in the habit of denying god's word? MY PREACHING? It's in your fucking religious book, not mine. Good grief!Wriggle & twist all you like, the bible calls for death by stoning for acts that in western countries don't even register as crimes today.I don't think adultery is particularly a good thing, either, but death by stoning is a tad too tough a punishment for reasonable people. But in this case the bible is no better than Sharia law. It's undeniable, it's there in black & white, quite literally.MarkEdited by mark24, : No reason given.

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There is no doubt in my mind that Gods wrath against sin (any sin) will be far more severe than anything Islam can think up. It is expressed ultimately against either our sins born by Jesus or our sins born by ourselves.There is nothing wrong with God in OT times demanding the punishment he demanded then. Stoning to death for adultery is only the start of it should sin be born personally. Stoning, appalling though it is, only leads to temporal suffering and death - a relative pittance in the scheme of things. His wrath is poured out on the wickedness of man and the timing of it being so poured is a relative side issue. He will discipline Christians even unto death - sin is no laughing matter with God whoever you are.And if in these current times he deals differently for the reasons he does, sight should not be lost of the big picture. The stoned young girl or the sweet old lady who dies peacefully in her sleep with her children and grandchildren arranged around her differ as much from each other as a drop in the ocean - in the overall scheme of things.Folk seem to be taking their eye off the main event. It seems that we have gotten very soft on what sin is. Adultery: a relative trifle is a case in point. The thing is that it isn't. God abhors it as much as the things that you yourself might find abhorant. He's consistant about all sin - it earns death. You (and often times me) are relativistic about it.It is we who err. Us whose logic is fuzzyEdited by iano, : No reason given.Edited by iano, : No reason given.

nothing really to add.....just a great post, imo

iano, A bit like hanging? Sharia law isn't that bad, then?Tell you what, I'll come & stone you to death, after all, it's only temporal, or would you prefer a hanging? I'd almost be doing you a favour, bringing you close to god, and all. But we both know this, & what you wrote above is crap.This post was just an excuse as to why god can get away with it but Allah can't, wasn't it?MarkEdited by mark24, : No reason given.Edited by mark24, : No reason given.Edited by mark24, : No reason given.

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And the poor little Iranian girl first gets to temporally suffer hanging and then burn forever in your Christian Hell because she grew up in a Moslem country? What a loving God that would be, if it existed. I'm damn glad it doesn't.

Compared to Gods wrath expressed against your sin for all eternity? Then no. Give me Sharia law anyday (and presumably 'nothing thereafter' according to your own dogma). I'm trying to point out that your 'relative trivial' comment is a product of your own mind and bears not at all on the way God would see it. You were the one that hauled the Bible into it. And it doesn't do relatively trivial.Its just the way it is. You say adultery is a relative pittance. God says its not. Lets leave it at that. One day we'll all know Given Gods view of sin there was little point in commenting in the way you did on old testament stoning. It is consistant with his view not with your. So you two disagree. You're not the first nor the last.And there is only one way to truly resolve the dispute. Wait.p.s. Allah doesn't exist

Who said that growing up in a moslem country means you burn in Hell? Certainly not me. God is hardly going to be constrained by borders.There is one reason for being saved. God saved you. And one reason to 'burn in Hell' - your rejection of his attempts to save you. All the rest is fluff. You can be absolutest about his existance (for it is possible to know he exists). You cannot be so about his non-existance (at least according to the best athiest views around here)

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Iano, Fine, as long as you are in disagreement with randman, I'll leave it there. I disagree, but at least you are consistent.But for the record, what happens to christians who commit adultery in your town? Do christians uphold the bible & stone 'em to death? After all, the death penalty/life imprisonment for the stoners is meaningless to what comes after. Or do they damn themselves by not upholding gods word & wish & basically do nothing?MarkEdited by mark24, : No reason given.Edited by mark24, : No reason given.

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randman,
Until your country (one of the heaviest users of the death penalty, and with the biggest per capita prison population in the world) stops using the death penalty, I think it would be sensible not to criticize it in other countries.Frankly, an American cricizing another country for using the death penalty is laughable, as you are the most blood-thirsty scumbags possible to imagine when it comes to legal punishment.in edit: most civilized countries got rid of the death penalty long ago. For example, it is a requirement of any country joining the European Union that they should not have a death penalty. The United States is unusually barbarous in this respect.
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Last night on PBS radio I listened to a talk given by Stephen Kinzer author of All The Shah's Men. The Dulles brothers and the CIA were responsible for overthrowing a democratic government lead by a great leader and they imposed a cruel tyranny on Iran in order to maintain control of the oil fields there. The US is still reaping the bad karma of that greedy evil action.Kinzer is also cautioning that the same kind of thoughtless intervention in Iraq can lead to the same kinds of repercussions decades later.I have such hatred for the evil the CIA has wrought in Iran, Chile, Guatamela. And then ignorant Americans act shocked that they hate us. We send them foreign aid, teach them how to torture and imprison and spy on their populations, rape nuns even in Guatemala and then act shocked by the results of our high handed callous uncaring ripoff.Read Kinzer's book. I'm checking it out tonight.Washington Post reporter Thomas E. Ricks book Fiasco: The American Military Adventure in Iraq details this. I heard him speak but his book is not yet in my library. Listen to the report of how badly many of our troops treated Iraqies. There were generals who did it right but they were often a minority and often acting against the wishes of the Administration. I'm not an advocate of the terrorists but the CIA has used terror against these countries and the the US military was doing it as top level policy never mind the self serving lies of the Bush administration. It wasn't on the initiative of a bunch of non coms.I am utterly disgusted by the double standard. It's okay if we do it for the profit of a few but wrong when our frustrated victims strike out from insane governments that resulted from our colonial meddling.Bush and his band of war crimminals have no moral superiority to the terrorist that US dollars and the CIA helped create. Bush lies to the public and he and his cronies pocket the profit while we foot the bills and they bill the coming generations. They don't care if the US goes bankrupt as long as they get theirs. The raw evil is right there in control of Washington DC. We don't need to go to the middle east to find the terrorist. They rule us, and fools us.Bush had better hope the fundies are wrong here and that I'm right cause what he and his cronies have done would assurdedly earn him a spot in hell if hell existed.lfen

You are being disgusting! God said no such thing. The laws were attributed to God. So who is right? Traditions from an early patriarchal legal system or Mark 24, or the Buddha, or you, or me.I say you are wrong and you aren't God. You are an ego. As an intelligent ego you really could know better.lfen