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compmage
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Message 43 of 54 (32579)
02-18-2003 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Ruth
02-18-2003 2:21 PM


Ruth writes:
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Legal or not, it discourages the open ended sexual freedom that you champion. In accepting prostitution you are rejecting this freedom because you advocate paying for a service, not simply enjoying an unfettered sexual experience. Sex is innate; trading sex for money does not seem to be innate.

Personally I don't see very much of a difference between a person paying for one service (a plumber to fix their toilet) and another (a prostitute to share their bed).
Can you (or anyone else) explain why you think there is a difference?
Thinking sex is a private thing and should not be for sale isn't going to be good enough (even though I agree that it is private) and isn't any different from me thinking that my piano has sentimental value and should not be sold for money. Not that I have a piano.
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compmage
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Message 46 of 54 (32626)
02-19-2003 1:37 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Ruth
02-18-2003 3:50 PM


Ruth writes;
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The difference to me is in the labeling of sex as a service in the first place. It is a consensual act between thinking creatures, not some object that needs to be fixed, and not some twisted birthright.

I was using service more in terms of fulfilling a percieved need.
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All said, I would have to concede that an individual can rent or sell a part of themselves for money if they desire, it is their body. Surrogate mothers and blood donors are technically in this same group.

For interest sake, do you have anything against surrogate mothers and blood donors? The difference, as far as I can see, is only that the need for these services are generally considered more acceptable. I personally think this has a lot to do with Christain perception of sex as 'filthy' and required only for procreation. I am not saying that all Christain beliefs this, or even that only Christains beliefs this.
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I place more value on my ‘piano’, and it is a bit more than a sentimental attachment.

You are entitled to place as much value as you like to your 'piano'. However, why should other people be forbidden by law to sell or share theirs with whomever they want in exchange for cash?
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I am thinking this over, but have to run, later, Ruth

Take all the time you need.
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Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the Western Spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun. Orbiting this at a distance of roughly ninety-eight million miles is an utterly insignificant little blue-green planet whose ape-descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea.
- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

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compmage
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Message 53 of 54 (32862)
02-22-2003 7:23 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Ruth
02-21-2003 4:01 PM


Ruth writes;
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I only object to surrogates as a general principle about reproduction, I don’t think we need any more babies than those that already occur naturally. I wouldn’t try to impose this opinion on others.

I'll leave this for another topic...it could get interesting...
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I think you are right in your assumption about acceptability. It may have more to do with the life giving aspect of surrogates and blood donors, and the perceived necessity of sex.

I'm glad you agree.
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I simply don’t like your analogy; it seems crass to compare a human body part to an object, but it does make me rethink surrogates mothers.

It is needed to illustrate my point. It is often easier for people to understand when the same logic is applied to something that most people don't have a strong emotional reaction to, like an object. I have a body/piano and I would like to share it with others, for a price. If both parties agree, where is the harm?
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I’m torn between my views on personal rights and a more encompassing view of human rights. I find it interesting and am still considering it. And again have to run! : ) Ruth

Looking forward to reading your reply.
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Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the Western Spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun. Orbiting this at a distance of roughly ninety-eight million miles is an utterly insignificant little blue-green planet whose ape-descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea.
- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

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