farenheit 9/11 (the "liberal media", other things relating to film maker Michael Moore)

Of course it's a myth... to liberals.

Yeah, except the evidence that the majority of people in the print and television news media are usually on the left end of the political spectrum has been demonstrated numerous times through polls etc. So your comparison is completely wrong. It isn't myth vs reality, it's perception of reality.You missed my point entirely. To conservatives, an overall leaning towards liberalism, however slight it may be, is still simply 'liberal' - hence 'liberal media.' To people who consider themselves liberals, the media does not seem liberal, it seems correct or not liberal enough. Hence Fox News is a conservative propaganda machine.

-dupe postThis message has been edited by custard, 06-29-2004 02:33 PM

You're going to make me back that up?? !$%#@$% Jack Kirby hater!Forget it, I'm not getting embroiled in this argument. I concede.You're right, news media organizations have no bias whatsoever. They are neutral, objective, and personal interest never impacts how the news is represented - unless it is Fox News or evil right wing conservatives.

How the HELL can you POSSIBLY guess what was going on in his mind?What if he was in shock like the rest of the US?I was listening to the radio when those attacks occurred. Literally an hour passed before I knew it. That's what shock does - it distorts your sense of time.Besides, what else was he possibly going to do? Get on the phone with the Justice League or the Superfriends to stop the next plane? What should he have done Schraf?

Talk about your conspiracy theories. Replace 'Bush' with Roswell Aliens and this sounds like stuff I've heard before. Replace 'Bush' with Clinton, and this still sounds familiar. It just depends on which camp is providing it. Amazing.

Yeah. That pretty much sums it up for me.

Since news is about making money, I would hypothesize the following:1- It was reported, you just aren't aware of it or don't remember it because other events were more important to you, or the news, at the time. Do you remember every ten second newsflash on the radio and TV?2- News organizations did not think it would sell compared to other, more interesting, or overshadowing events.So, even though I didn't want to do this, I'll go test my hypothesis. BRB.

CNN count as a news source?Bush protests in Turkey:ErrorBush in Ireland:ErrorI submit you guys need to change your news sources. Or something.

Well I agree with you there. At least, I would like to think the CIC, knowing he is being filmed, could put on a better show of it; but I also realize that the Pres is a human being and has feet of clay. There may be many reasons not to like Bush, but not behaving like Audi Murphy during an unexpected and shocking crisis is a bit much in my opinion.

Well said.

Um, the last one that stands out in my mind was about 1996 when I had just moved to New Orleans. There was a lot of local coverage about a teenage kid who tried to carjack someone who, unfortunately for the kid, had a firearm and shot him to death.There was some criticism, but in general the media wasn't against the potential carjack victim who defended himself because there had been a rash of carjackings. In fact, I swear I remember some 'carjackers beware' pieces.Also, I'd bet Wyoming, Montana, and rural parts of Oregon and Idaho have had positive (pro) reports about gun ownership. you can't be manipulated by it if you don't watch it. This message has been edited by custard, 06-30-2004 02:35 AM

Seriously? Was there a good soundtrack? That's the first review I seen that even mentioned it. What stuff did he use? I picture stuff like:1-War (What is it Good For?) by War - during Iraq footage
2-that [/b]"Teach your children" [/b]song by CSN - during some melodramatic moment
3-Mellow Yellow - during Bush's closeup after 9/11
4-The Candy Man by Sammy D - during any Kerry or Dem reference
5-Devil Went Down to Georgia by Charlie Daniels - during hunt for Bin Laden
6- Why Can't We Be Friends - under footage of Iraq invasion preparation

Sweet. I saw the first 8 or so episodes. The rest are in my netflix queue. I love that show.

Yeah, try reading through the Reagan threads buddy.But everyone has their hot button topics and is it really surprising po-litics and religion are usually at the top of the list.I have noticed that many of the same posters who usually post eloquent, well-thought, well supported posts regarding science, are the first ones whose brains short circuit when it comes to political issues. All of a sudden some of the most specious claims are defended to the death because of political ideology. It is all too similar to reactions by some of the ardent creationists when their beliefs are challenged.If it is this hard to discuss political matters in an objective, non-emotional way (and I include myself here); then it makes me think that it is almost impossible to discuss science rationally with a very religious person (say a YEC) because the ideological barrier is just too strong. For an athiest, evolution is an objective discussion, for a YEC the foundation of his belief system is being challenged. Is it any wonder they react emotionally?I'm starting to think I should cut them more slack and be less aggressive in my arguments with them. (But then I realize I'm talking about me, so that pipe dream disappears in a puff of smoke).