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110%Atheist
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Message 1 of 21 (81141)
01-27-2004 1:41 PM


DOnt you think that the person who wrote the bible was the smartest person, look how much money he made telling the first stories that came to his head, but we have to say they are good.

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Stephen ben Yeshua
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Message 2 of 21 (81181)
01-27-2004 3:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by 110%Atheist
01-27-2004 1:41 PM


Anomalies
hey, 110%
I agree. I'd love to see a frequency histogram of number of printings of all books throughout history, to see exactly how far off the charts the Bible actually is. Then, we could get see whether we have something that needs explaining.
I vaguely recall one author who said that the best way to be a best-selling writer was to tell bible stories over again.
So, how did they get so good? Where has all the genius gone?
Stephen

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crashfrog
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Message 3 of 21 (81210)
01-27-2004 5:30 PM


Are you guys kidding? Did you even read Song of Soloman?
Worst poetry ever.
Like most ecclesiastical texts the Bible is only so-so as literature. I'd put Beowulf ahead of the Bible. (Have you guys read Seamus Heaney's translation? It's hot!)

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mark24
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Message 4 of 21 (81212)
01-27-2004 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by crashfrog
01-27-2004 5:30 PM


And who could forget the Epic of Gilgamesh. Real action & drama!

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Loudmouth
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Message 5 of 21 (81220)
01-27-2004 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Stephen ben Yeshua
01-27-2004 3:41 PM


Re: Anomalies
quote:
I vaguely recall one author who said that the best way to be a best-selling writer was to tell bible stories over again.
Lately, it seems that rewritings of Shakespeare's works have been making the rounds as well, as well as The Odyssey (O' Brother Where Art Thou?). Stories in Classical Lit are great windows into humanities long wanderings and the commonality of adventure through history. We can't get enough of it I guess.

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Verzem
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Message 6 of 21 (81223)
01-27-2004 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Stephen ben Yeshua
01-27-2004 3:41 PM


Re: Anomalies
Stephen,
Of course, I'm sure you realize that large numbers of sales is no guarantee of readership. Even amongst hardcore Christians, the percentage of them who have ever read it cover-to-cover is quite low.
In my work, I visit lots of homes every week. I have seen many Bibles in these homes. Some have so much dust on them that it is quite obvious that they haven't been used in years. I've seen them used as coasters for beverages, as spacers for broken stereo stands, and once, as a fly-swatter. Why, I heard that Marilyn Manson even bought one!
I'd wager to say that for the number of them sold, the Bible is probably the least read book in existence.
Then, there's the fact that I have two Bibles. I and lots of the posters here read them for entirely different reasons than you read yours. Probably.
Ultimately, I don't think you should draw any conclusions from large sales numbers.
Verzem

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Cthulhu
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Message 7 of 21 (81253)
01-27-2004 8:36 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by crashfrog
01-27-2004 5:30 PM


Are you guys kidding? Did you even read Song of Soloman?
Worst poetry ever.
It's supposed to be bad poetry. It's pornography.

Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!

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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 8 of 21 (81258)
01-27-2004 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by 110%Atheist
01-27-2004 1:41 PM


That is a remarkably childish, ignorant, and worthless statement.

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Stephen ben Yeshua
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Message 9 of 21 (81259)
01-27-2004 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Verzem
01-27-2004 6:17 PM


Re: Anomalies
Verzem,
I was looking for a good question, not a conclusion. And, your observations only deepen the mystery.
Stephen

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Stephen ben Yeshua
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Message 10 of 21 (81261)
01-27-2004 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Loudmouth
01-27-2004 6:07 PM


Re: Anomalies
Loudmouth,
Be interesting to count quotes in Bartlett's.
Stephen

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crashfrog
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Message 11 of 21 (81274)
01-27-2004 10:32 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Stephen ben Yeshua
01-27-2004 9:04 PM


Be interesting to count quotes in Bartlett's.
Not interesting. Quotes only make it into Bartlett's because they're well-known, not because they're good.

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Dr Jack
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Message 12 of 21 (81324)
01-28-2004 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by 110%Atheist
01-27-2004 1:41 PM


Well, more than one person 'wrote the bible', and none of them (tbomn) ever got royalities for their work.

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Stephen ben Yeshua
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Message 13 of 21 (81507)
01-29-2004 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by crashfrog
01-27-2004 10:32 PM


Crash,
Quotes only make it into Bartlett's because they're well-known,
So, I guess somebody has been reading the bible.
Stephen

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crashfrog
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From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 14 of 21 (81762)
01-31-2004 3:04 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Stephen ben Yeshua
01-29-2004 2:30 PM


So, I guess somebody has been reading the bible.
Well, somebody's reading those Clive Cussler novels, too - they keep making more of them - but that doesn't make them great literature, either.

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Stephen ben Yeshua
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Message 15 of 21 (81819)
01-31-2004 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by crashfrog
01-31-2004 3:04 AM


What's the point?
Crash,
Regarding the Bible as literature,
I agree that it is not very good literature. It says of itself that it is more of a textbook or guidebook. Remarkable because of it's amazing popularity, wisdom content, quotable proverbs etc, and as begun in this thread, wonderful stories. Stories, however, not told all that well. Hence, the great industry of others telling the stories over, in better literary form.
Reading the bible leaves me with the impression that the book is trying to self-destruct. Everything about it appears to point to persons sitting around talking and telling stories and counseling one another. They retell the stories of the bible, bring up proverbs, quote wisdom or some sort of convicting truth. If Yeshua came today and walked about as He did 2000 years ago, I doubt that He would carry a Bible with Him. Why say anything in the bible that you don't know by heart? What could be more boring than the idea of a Bible study? Even the Bible doesn't recommend that practise. It's all about people loving Jehovah personally, and loving one another, having something useful to say to one another. Not getting drawn off into some sort of book-lore.
For these things that it pretends to do, it is and has been remarkably successful and popular. The question is, why is it so far off the curve of books in general?
S.

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