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Author Topic:   Who Are The Xians? What Is Xmas?
Buzsaw
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Message 1 of 301 (266251)
12-06-2005 11:24 PM


Holmes and others, who use the term, Xian, you might get blown away like the New Jersy couple a few months ago who critizized Islam on the internet, if you called Islam Xlam. Relax though, the true Christians don't do that. Only the Xians did that back in the dark ages when the popes and bishops acted like they were gods and christs, disregarding/Xing out the teachings of the true christ, Jesus, Lord of Lords and King of Kings, and making up their own doctrines. Those bloody Xians also killed scores of the real Christians. You could also use it for those few who killed the withches, I suppose, as the real Christ of the real Christianity commanded individuals to do no violence to anyone, even restoring the ear to one of the soldiers who came to arrest him after Peter cut it off. He did advise his desciples to carry a sword, however for self defense from the beasts and possibly robbers along the many lonely roads they would be traveling.
If you only used the X term for the violent frauds you'd at least make some sense, inserting an "X" denoting them.
Those who use this term appear to implicate all Christianity. Would
nihilists have any problem being called Xhilists or the Buddhists Xhidists, the agnostics, Xnostics, et al? Is this a way of demeaning and insulting over 50% of Americans whose religion is Christianity? Do any other Christians besides me here find it offensive to be called Xians or am I being hypersensitive?
I realize that commercial Christmas concerns, et al, use the term Xmas. Ironically, I suppose that might be a more appropriate usage of the X word, since Christmas commercialism pretty much does just that. It Xs out the Christ of Christmas, replacing the Christ with the fat whiskered fellow who was actually a deceased Roman Catholic priest, Saint Nicholas. Here again we see the workings of Vatican City and the popes and bishops who substituted the priest, not God and Christ for rewarding the good and withholding from the bad.

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arachnophilia
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Message 2 of 301 (266253)
12-06-2005 11:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
12-06-2005 11:24 PM


chi
the "X" in "Xians" and "Xmas" is the greek letter chi, not the english x. the difference is that it's a K- sound, as in ‘, Christos.

אָרַח

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ringo
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Message 3 of 301 (266255)
12-06-2005 11:35 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by arachnophilia
12-06-2005 11:29 PM


Re: chi
arachnophilia writes:
the "X" in "Xians" and "Xmas" is the greek letter chi
I was going to say that but I figured you'd beat me to it.
The "X" can also be symbolic of the cross. (St. Andrew's cross, is it?)

People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.

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arachnophilia
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Message 4 of 301 (266256)
12-06-2005 11:37 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by ringo
12-06-2005 11:35 PM


Re: chi
The "X" can also be symbolic of the cross.
eh, i don't buy it.
(St. Andrew's cross, is it?)
for exactly that reason. now, the T might be a cross...

אָרַח

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jar
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Message 5 of 301 (266257)
12-06-2005 11:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
12-06-2005 11:24 PM


The Labarum, incorporating Chi Rho, was the original banner of Constantine Christianity, and the actual "In hoc signo vinces". It was not new even then, having been a common christian symbol even before his conversioin.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Buzsaw
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Message 6 of 301 (266258)
12-06-2005 11:43 PM
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12-06-2005 11:29 PM


We're Not Greeks.
arach writes:
the "X" in "Xians" and "Xmas" is the greek letter chi, not the english x. the difference is that it's a K- sound, as in ‘, Christos.
We're English speaking Americans, my friend. We no speak the language. Nice try, but I'm afraid you have a strawman here.

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

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ringo
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Message 7 of 301 (266259)
12-06-2005 11:47 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by arachnophilia
12-06-2005 11:37 PM


Re: chi
arachnophilia writes:
now, the T might be a cross...
But "Tians" doesn't have the same ring to it as "Xians".
Do we actually know what kind of cross Jesus would have been crucified on? Some say a Latin, some say a tau, some say a St. Andrew... but then again, people say a lot of things.
(Just thought of the big "T" in Brave New World too.)

People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.

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Buzsaw
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Message 8 of 301 (266260)
12-06-2005 11:48 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by ringo
12-06-2005 11:35 PM


Check Out The Jewelry Stores.
Ringo writes:
I was going to say that but I figured you'd beat me to it.
The "X" can also be symbolic of the cross. (St. Andrew's cross, is it?)
How many 'X's do you see in the jewelry stores and as pendants being worn by American Christians?

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

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arachnophilia
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Message 9 of 301 (266261)
12-06-2005 11:52 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Buzsaw
12-06-2005 11:43 PM


Re: We're Not Greeks.
We're English speaking Americans, my friend. We no speak the language. Nice try, but I'm afraid you have a strawman here.
that's nice and all, but most of the early christian church was greek. even in rome, they used this symbol to secretly identify themselves.
perhaps you've seen it before? in greek, the language the new testament was written in, a fish is , ichtys. that stands for ‘ ‘ , Isous Christos Theou Huios Str. "Jesus Christ, Son of God, Saviour."
the "X" stands for "Christ."
seriously. if you think that it's got nothing to do with greek, and you don't want to be part of the evo x-ing conspiracy, you better go rip your jesus fish of your car. cause it's go that very same x in it.

אָרַח

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MangyTiger
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Message 10 of 301 (266262)
12-06-2005 11:52 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Buzsaw
12-06-2005 11:43 PM


Re: We're Not Greeks.
We're English speaking Americans
Ah the casual American arrogance the world loves so much

I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then

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jar
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Message 11 of 301 (266263)
12-06-2005 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Buzsaw
12-06-2005 11:48 PM


Re: Check Out The Jewelry Stores.
go to google images and type in Chi Rho.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Buzsaw
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Message 12 of 301 (266264)
12-06-2005 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by ringo
12-06-2005 11:47 PM


Why not........
Why not just call us what we profess like with other religions, in plane ole English?

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

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Message 13 of 301 (266265)
12-06-2005 11:56 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Buzsaw
12-06-2005 11:55 PM


Re: Why not........
We are.

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arachnophilia
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Message 14 of 301 (266266)
12-06-2005 11:58 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Buzsaw
12-06-2005 11:48 PM


Jewelry? Bring on the Bling
How many 'X's do you see in the jewelry stores and as pendants being worn by American Christians?
seek and ye shall find.
i'm really not making this up, i promise.
This message has been edited by arachnophilia, 12-07-2005 12:11 AM

אָרַח

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Buzsaw
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Message 15 of 301 (266268)
12-07-2005 12:07 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by MangyTiger
12-06-2005 11:52 PM


Re: We're Not Greeks.
MangyTiger writes:
Ah the casual American arrogance the world loves so much
Tell me, MT, honestly, would you appreciate being referred to as an 'X'ian if you were a Christian, or an 'X' something else for whatever you professed?

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

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