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Introduction
Deep in space, dust is diffracting light, and providing clues to the materials it is passing through, materials that have existed since the early days in the 'life' of the universe. There happens to be a strong correlation between patterns of light absorption by some dust clouds and that made by small hollow spheres the size of common (earthly) bacteria. This led Fred Hoyle and N. Chandra Wickramasinghe to propose the theory of Panspermia, where life was seeded on earth from space (1 Klyce). While this idea has been ridiculed, this correlation still exists. One alternate explanation may be that this is a coincidence caused by a similar evolution of bacteria-like organisms, the dust of a life that evolved on (an)other planet(s) from similar chemical backgrounds and where the systems have met some catastrophic end (star system goes nova, collisions, etc). The universe is about 3 times older than the earth, so there is plenty of time for life to have evolved on other planets in other system, provided that the necessary conditions and material were available: the only caveat being what would cause such an improbable coincidence of development. The existence of other suitable planets seems less and less of a question as we continue to discover more and more planets around other stars, but for such similar life to have such a similar chemical basis there would have to be some method of disbursing the basic chemical compounds used in the formation of life through space. The method does not need to be organic (life based): stellar novas are the #1 basic method of disbursing chemical elements into space after the fusion of hydrogen into those elements during the life of the star. These events are catastrophic certainly, but as the expelled gases expand and cool there is opportunity for all kinds of chemical combinations to take place, easily allowing the formation of even complex molecules. Perhaps there is just some unknown astro-chemical preference for the formation of carbon based life precursor molecules and that they are common throughout the universe. Perhaps the dust balls noted by Hoyle and Wickramasinghe are the signatures of large 'organic' hydrocarbon molecules we are unfamiliar with. Speculation is fun for all, but what evidence do we have to support such seemingly far-fetched science fiction? Surprisingly, the evidence is substantial. From {the farthest reaches of the Universe}, across own solar system, and to the farthest reaches of our own Earth, evidence of pre-biotic formation of life surround us. This paper will walk you through the evidence, painting a picture of how life could have come to form on Earth. Evidence Evidence comes from a number of sources. From The Universe So far over 130 different molecules have been discovered in interstellar clouds (2 anon 2004). Most contain a small number of atoms, and only a few molecules with seven or more atoms have been found so far. The most abundant family of molecules in the interstellar medium, after molecular hydrogen and carbon monoxide, are the polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon (PAH) molecules. These molecules contain about 10% of all the interstellar carbon (3 Bregman &Temi). In the farthest depths of the universe polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon (PAH) molecules have been found by the Spitzer Space Telescope, 10 billion light-years away (4 Hill 2005). Other deep space organic compounds that have already been found are the 7-atom vinyl alcohol (5 anon 2001), the 8-atom molecule propenal and the 10-atom molecule propanal (2 anon 2004), all in interstellar clouds of dust and gas near the center of the Milky Way Galaxy, all some 24,000 light-years away - a distance so far, the molecules could not have come from earth. Finding bigger molecules might be more difficult, as we have to know what the 'signatures' of those particles are. This is difficult because those particles need to be modeled first to see what their diffraction patterns would be, and we would have to know what the molecules were to model them. This would be similar to the difficulties encountered by Hoyle and Wickramasinghe in matching the dust spectrum to dried bacteria (1 Klyce) and by Rosalind Franklin in unraveling DNA patterns and other folded proteins with crystallography before their structure was fully understood (6 anon). A little closer to home, the signatures of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon (PAH) molecules were found again, this time in the vicinity of a protostellar source, S140 (3 Bregman & Temi). The source, about 3,000 light-years away, is a star in the process of forming. This fact provides more evidence that this hydro-carbon based material was already available at this point of the star's, stage of formation. By extension, it also means that the material was available at the time of any planet's formation. Traditionally chemists have referred to these compounds as organic molecules because of their association with organic processes. With these discoveries of such molecules in outer space and, presumably, from non-living sources, it seems that a new paradigm is needed. I will refer to these cosmic based complex hydro-carbon compounds hereafter as "Pre-Organic Compounds", orPOCs. From The Solar System In the immediate stellar neighborhood we have data from our gas giants and their moons. The IRIS-Voyager infrared spectrometer detected prebiotic molecules on Titan as well as complex organic molecules on Jupiter and Saturn. The Cassini satellite found an organic "factory" of hydrocarbons in the upper atmosphere of Titan (7 Martinez 2005). Carbonaceous material has also been observed in the immediate surroundings of Comet Halley's nucleus, implying these materials are also readily available in the OORT cloud surrounding the planets (8 Encrenaz 1986). These findings, tells us that such POCs are formed in an interstellar medium by non-living procedures. Furthermore, even if they are not uniformly available in the early formation of the system, they are certainly available for transport from such locations where they are available to any planets in the stellar system. Moving farther in, we have detected a host of POCs on meteors. Mono- and dicarboxylic acids, dicarboximides, pyridine carboxylic acids, a sulfonic acid, and both aliphatic and aromatic hydrocarbons (9 Pizzarello et al 2001) have been found. In addition, hollow, bubble-like hydrocarbon globules, similar to early membraneous formations (10 Watson 2002), and "polyols," components of the nucleic acids RNA and DNA, constituents of cell membranes and cellular energy sources (11 Koczor 2001 & 12 Cooper et al 2001) have been detected in material from meteors as well. Meteors could also be a source of elements that would otherwise be rare on the surface of the early earth. The steps taken in creating DNA or RNA (one of a number of possible precursors to the advent of DNA on Earth) are unclear. Most of the necessary raw materials and elements for forming RNA-like molecules are readily available at Earth's surface - except for rare elements like phosphorus. At least one study argues that meteorites could have provided the rare elements needed by the early self replicating molecules in readily accessible forms like P2O7, one of the more biochemically useful forms of phosphate, similar to what's found in ATP (13 Reddy 2004). Support for this also comes from the record of meteor bombardment of the moon, which indicates that meteors were much more common during the early days of this planet. There is also reason to believe there may also have been a peak of meteor activity just before the earliest known life appeared, some 3.9 to 3.8 billion years ago (14 Hartmann et al 2000 & 15 Ehrenfreund et al 2002). The Earth Back Then There have been experiments on what might have been happening outside the earth's atmosphere in conditions simulating the early solar system. Scientists made glycine, alanine and serine, three of the basic parts of proteins from which all life is made, by simulating conditions that are commonplace in interstellar space and shining ultraviolet light on deep-space-like "ices" (16 Burton 2002 & 17 anon 2002) - again pointing to a ready source of pre-formed amino acids from space and removing the necessity of their formation somewhere on earth. This is also beginning to stretch the definition of "Pre-Organic Compound" (POC) to it's limit, for amino acids are the molecules that living organisms are made from. As we can see, these POC molecules may have formed outside of the earth. If these molecules did come to earth from space, the next question is what earth was like in those early days and what kind of existence was possible. This would have been before free oxygen(Ocolor="#000080">2) was readily available in the atmosphere. While early models of the earth assumed a reducing atmosphere, recent modeling of the Earth's early atmosphere suggests more neutral conditions (e.g. H2O, N2, CO2) may have existed (15 Ehrenfreund et al 2002). Even so, most researchers still accept that O2 experienced a large increase near 2.3 billion years ago, long after life first evolved, and the evidence indicates that O2 was less than ~10-3 current levels during the Archean if not lower (18 Kasting & Pavlov 2001), so the earliest life form(s) were likely based on some other energy transfer system than one using free oxygen (ie some kind of anaerobic system). The Earth Now One way to determine possible environments and energy systems that were once on earth and that may have been involved in early life development we can look at what are called "extremeophiles" - archaic bacteria like organisms, living under what appears to us to be extreme conditions. The reasoning behind this is dual-pronged; first, these extreme environments may match, and even be the norm, in early-Earth conditions. Second, it is likely that any such remnant environment would also be inhabited by remnants of early life forms - forms such as these "extremeophiles." One area that may exhibit such properties is the deep ocean floor around the thermal vents, where life today is still a bizarre chemistry for organisms compared to what we know. Recently, simulating such conditions amino acids were combined into peptides (19 Simpson 1999), and the oldest evidence for life may be thermophile remnants in Greenland rocks that are 3.7 to 3.9 billion years old, where some researchers have concluded that the grains contained carbon of biological origin (20 Hart 2005). Similar research synthesized the critical compound pyruvic acid (CH3-CO-COOH) from CO in the presence of iron-sulphide at 250 C and pressures equivalent to a depth of 7 km within the rock (21 Earle 2000). Another element that comes into play with these kinds of areas is radioactive energy and it's effect of the polymerization of larger molecules. The geological record includes widespread evidence for organic accretion and polymerization around radioactive mineral grains (22 Parnell 2003). This may have been a mechanism to help concentrate the necessary molecules in the same locations. There are many types of anaerobic bacteria, but the real interest here is in the "Archaea" - a life form similar to bacteria but from a separate and earlier domain of life, and found in many extreme environments. Some Archaea, belonging to the methanogens (methane producing microorganisms), are found in cold deep sea sediments called methane seeps at 1,640 to 3,280 feet beneath the surface, where the pressure compresses methane and traps it in a lattice of water ice crystals to form gas hydrates at temperatures of 45 degrees Fahrenheit or even warmer, depending on the crystal structure and depth. (23 Siegel 2005). The Archaea found at the seeps were completely surrounded by sulfate reducing bacteria in a symbiotic relationship that utilized both methane and sulfates for energy (24 Ferdelman et al 2005). From the Bottom Up This gives us ideas of where the first forms of life may have developed, but to get to there from the chemicals and energy sources mentioned previously, we need to look at the simplest molecules that can be formed and then move up towards the more complex ones. First off we have some peptides built out of existing amino acids under conditions similar to possible early earth conditions: under the hot, anaerobic, aqueous conditions of a setting with magmatic exhalations, amino acids are converted into peptides. Peptides were formed from phenylalanine, tyrosine, and glycine (25 Huber & Wchterhuser 1998). Next we turn to self-replicating molecule experiments. First, a self-replicating 32-amino-acid peptide can autocatalyse its own synthesis by accelerating the amino-bond condensation of 15- and 17-amino-acid fragments in solution (26 Kauffman 1996). Then there is the amino adenosine triacid ester (AATE) that replicates by attracting to one of its ends anester molecule, and to its other end an amino adenosine molecule. These molecules react to form another AATE. The "parent" and "child" AATE molecules then break apart and can go on to build still more AATE molecules (27 Mallove 1990).These experiments are such convincing demonstrations of self-replication by non-living molecules that even extremely skeptical organizations like AnswerInGenesis (AIG) do not dispute the formation of the phenylalanine, tyrosine, and glycine peptides (28 Sarfati) or that the AATE molecules formed new ones (29 Sarfati 2002). Another experiment shows how cell-like membranes can be formed from common chemicals like calcium chloride, sodium carbonate, copper chloride, sodium iodide, hydrogen peroxide and starch and that they contain chemical reactions (30 Ball 2004), and another shows that these compounds are common in meteor "ices" and that the meteor compounds do form vesicles with the addition of water (31 Dworkin et al 2001). Formation of amino acids by bacteria is also well documented, but researchers have cause a "new" amino acid to be formed by one, p-aminophenylalanine, or pAF (32 Suh 2003). This demonstrates that the 20 amino acids that are commonly used by all life on Earth are not necessarily special to the formation of life here. Instead, it is likely that they were just the most useful ones available at the time. Finally, there is the evidence that viruses may be older than our commonly accepted life forms: coat proteins in all viral types that infect all three of the modern domains of life - Eukarya, Bacteria, and Archaea - have conformational similarities, despite the fact that the genetics underlying them are quite different. This implies a common "ancestor" for all these forms of viruses that predates the three domains of life over 3 billion years ago. These viruses could be remnants of a pre-DNA world that was based on RNA replication, remnants that have lost their individual ability to reproduce by adapting to use the replication methods of the DNA world (33 Rice et al 2004). Conclusions It seems to me that the building blocks needed for the beginning of life were plentiful, not just on Earth but in space in general and from the earliest of times. They have been around since long before even the Earth formed from the cosmic debris left behind by the life and death cycle of previous stars and planets, back to the beginning of time. These "seeds of life" no doubt extend through the far reaches of the universe as well as the depths of time. It also seems to me that the natural processes for forming more complex structures from those basic building blocks were likely prevalent on the earth 4.5 billion years ago in a variety of forms, levels of completion and locations. We see that meteors bring not only pre-organic compounds (POCs), energy and rare nutrients, but compounds that can form cell like vesicles to concentrate the chemical interactions. Radioactivity may add energy to the equation, concentrating organic molecules, or deep earth thermal vents may be an additional source. We end with a scenario that has a random combination of plentiful and multitudinous POCs forming amino acids all over the earth, with membranous systems to contain and concentrate those molecules and their interactions within a protocell type capsule. We also see that random combination of plentiful and multitudinous amino acids into peptides and proteins is feasible, and that concentration and recombination within the membranous protocells enhances the probability that random combinations of them into the first "replicators" (the predecessors to RNA and DNA) is not as far fetched as it seemed at first. A simple building block process where the probability of a successful combination is almost inevitable: it is no longer a matter of "if" but of "when" it will occur under these conditions ... These "seeds of life" also existed in a world of constant motion, from the constant motion of sub-atomic particles to the interplay of atoms and molecules in chemical combinations, to the ebb and flow of various gases and liquids at different temperatures and densities, to the sometimes violent impact of meteors and eruptions. The existence of the first self-replicators would be little more than a slightly novel extension of this chemical existence, not much more remarkable than catalyzed reactions, their first "food" would have been the chemicals around them. Once a self-replicating chemical system occurs, however, the frequency and ability of it to reproduce will necessarily outpace the random chemical action from which it came, and the ones that are better able to adapt to and take advantage of the environment will outpace their competition ... they will evolve. From there it is but a small step to the first cell with the components and processes that we would classify as life. Life seems inevitable when given the conditions that existed for the beginning of life. That is my take on the possibilities for the formation of life on earth. Enjoy Post Script I am adding this to be perfectly clear on my intentions. For me the search for the elusive transition from non-life to life has to be two pronged: (A) From the bottom up - looking for what happens naturally in a variety of environments to build more and more complex molecules from the materials available. This search also includes simulating a variety of early earth environments and possible environments on other planets (mars) or moons(europa). These molecules are the building blocks for the foundation, making towers by building onto them until the clouds are reached is the quest. (B) From the top down - reducing life to a bare minimum, also in a variety of environments to find what can be done away with from the evolved systems and still have a (possibly crude and likely inefficient) forms of life. The variables will likely change with different environments and sources of energy that go with them. This is also where LUCA comes into the picture ("it is widely accepted that ... there was a period where RNA carried out the roles now performed by proteins and DNA"). Taking the skyscraping towers of today and deciphering the support structure, going back through time, paring it down to the bare minimums to find what the first original huts may have looked like. This specific {topic thread} deals with (A), the bottom up approach, and involves known processes with known, verified results. A future essay may deal with (B), the top down approach, and how we got to RNA and DNA and other advanced molecules from previous stages. There is still a substantial gap between them, but as such research is done from both sides an awareness will build about how near one is to the other, very much like the way the (Golden Gate bridge was built from each side of the bay in closing increments (and even though most engineers of the day said it could not be done). It is also possible that future experiments based on the bottom up approach could result in a self-replicating proto-molecular system that fills some definitions of life without developing either RNA or DNA - presupposing either is similar to presupposing the hand of a designer. I apologize for the length, but this is a compilation I have made over the last two to three years of points that to me constitute an overview of the state of current knowledge. Thank you. References: (1) Brig Klyce (no date). Hoyle and Wickramasinghe's Analysis of Interstellar Dust. Cosmic Ancestry [Electronic version]. 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NASA Astrobiology News Archives [Electronic version]. Retrieved 5Nov2005 fromhttp://nai.arc.nasa.gov/news_stories/news_detail.cfm?arti... (21) S. Earle (2000 Aug) Origin of life in a hot iron-sulphur environment. Earth Science News [Electronic version]. Retrieved 5Nov2005 fromError (22) J. Parnell (2003 Mar 20) Mineral Radioactivity Promotes Organic Complexity On Rocky Planets (#1119). Lunar and Planetary Science Conference XXXIV, Poster Session II [Electronic version]. Retrieved 5Nov2005 fromhttp://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2003/pdf/1119.pdf (23) L.J. Siegel (2005 Oct 5) Café Methane. NASA Astrobiology News Archives [Electronic version]. Retrieved 5Nov2005 fromhttp://nai.arc.nasa.gov/news_stories/news_detail.cfm?arti... (24) T. Ferdelman, C. Borowski, N. Knab & H. Lbner (2005) Anaerobic methane oxidation in marine systems. Max Planck Institute for Marine Microbiology [Electronic version]. Retrieved 5Nov2005 fromPage not found (25) C. Huber and G. Wchterhuser (1998 Jul 31) Peptides by activation of amino acids with CO on (Ni,Fe)S surfaces: implications for the origin of life. Science 281(5377) p670-672 [Electronic version]. Retrieved 5Nov2005 fromhttp://ecoserver.imbb.forth.gr/microbiology/s-e-papers/ e-papers/peptideformationbyc_nifes.pdf (26) S.A. Kauffman (1996 Aug 8) Self-Replication: Even peptides do it. Nature 382 [Electronic version]. Retrieved 5Nov2005 fromhttp://www.santafe.edu/sfi/People/kauffman/sak-peptides.html (27) E.F. Mallove (1990 May 9) Self-Reproducing Molecules Reported by MIT Researchers. MIT Tech Talk [Electronic version]. Retrieved 5Nov2005 fromPage not found | MIT News | Massachusetts Institute of Technology (28) J. Sarfati (no date) Did scientists create life . or did the media create hype? Answers in Genesis article [Electronic version]. Retrieved 5Nov2005 fromMissing Link | Answers in Genesis (29) J. Sarfati (2002 Dec 26) Self-replicating enzymes? Answers in Genesis TJ Archive Volume 11 Issue 1 [Electronic version]. Retrieved 5Nov2005 fromMissing Link | Answers in Genesis (30) P. Ball (2004 Apr 26) Mineral brew grows 'cells'. Nature News archive [Electronic version]. Retrieved 5Nov2005 fromMineral brew grows 'cells' | Nature Sign in required, abstract available at Nature Search &sp-x-9=cat&sp-q-9=NEWS&submit=go&sp-a=sp1001702d &sp-sfvl-field=subject%7Cujournal&sp-t=results &sp-x-1=ujournal&sp-p-1=phrase&sp-p=all (31) J.P. Dworkin, D.W. Deamer, S.A. Sandford, and L.J. Allamandola (2001 Jan 30) Self-assembling amphiphilic molecules: Synthesis in simulated interstellar/precometary ices. Proceedings of the National Academy of Science vol. 98 no. 3 p815-819 [Electronic version]. Retrieved 5Nov2005 fromJust a moment... (32) C. Suh (2003 an 13) Researchers create novel life form. Science & Technology (no pub) United Press International [Electronic version]. Retrieved 5Nov2005 fromResearchers create novel life form - UPI.com (33) G. Rice, L. Tang, K. Stedman, F. Roberto, J. Spuhler, E. Gillitzer, J.E. Johnson, T. Douglas & M. Young (2004 May 18) The structure of a thermophilic archaeal virus shows a double-stranded DNA viral capsid type that spans all domains of life. Proceedings of the National Academy of Science vol. 101 no. 20 p7716-7720 [Electronic version]. Retrieved 5Nov2005 fromJust a moment... &RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=%22George+Rice%22&searchid=1131258210503_5791 &stored_search=&FIRSTINDEX=0&journalcode=pnas Appendix A: Background Information from the references. The purpose of this appendix is two-fold. (1) Some articles are quite long and they often get into many other details, so the sections excerpted here are the pertinent ones to the essay above, and (2) Some articles are volatile on the web and may disappear or be edited or have the urls changed, so this allows the wording to be retained as captured on 5Nov2005. Each entry is numbered to correspond to the references used above and a link to the article (as of 5Nov2005) is provided for ease of use. I have also made some parenthetical comments (not indented) at the ends of some entries. A1 - Hoyle and Wickramasinghe's Analysis of Interstellar DustAnalysis of Interstellar Dust and Selected Resources. by Brig Klyce ... Now, however, that organic polymers in space are abundant and may be necessary for life is well accepted. Today we often see stories about things like vinegar among the stars, or "buckyballs" from space as "the seeds of life". To that extent the scientific paradigm for the origin of life on Earth has already shifted. A2 - Scientists discover two new interstellar moleculesBrightsurf Science News and Current Events - Page Not Found A team of scientists using the National Science Foundation's Robert C. Byrd Green Bank Telescope (GBT) has discovered two new molecules in an interstellar cloud near the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. This discovery is the GBT's first detection of new molecules, and is already helping astronomers better understand the complex processes by which large molecules form in space. A3 - Identifying Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon (PAH) molecules in Spacehttp://spacescience.arc.nasa.gov/displaypage.cfm?page=Bre... Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon (PAH) molecules are the most abundant family of molecules in the interstellar medium after molecular hydrogen and carbon monoxide, and contain about 10% of all the interstellar carbon. A4 - Spitzer Finds Life Components in Young UniverseNASA - Spitzer Finds Life Components in Young Universe NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope has found the ingredients for life all the way back to a time when the universe was a mere youngster. A5 - Scientists Toast the Discovery of Vinyl Alcohol in Interstellar Spacehttp://www.spacedaily.com/news/life-01zi.html Astronomers using the National Science Foundation's 12 Meter Telescope at Kitt Peak, AZ, have discovered the complex organic molecule vinyl alcohol in an interstellar cloud of dust and gas near the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. The discovery of this long-sought compound could reveal tantalizing clues to the mysterious origin of complex organic molecules in space. A6 - Rosalind Elsie Franklin (1920 - 1958)BBC - 404: Not Found Franklin was an expert in using x-ray crystallography to study imperfectly crystalline matter, such as coal. She started work on the DNA by making very thin threads of it, bundling them and hitting them with a super-fine x-ray beam. She soon discovered the two forms of DNA. The easily photographed A form was dried, while the B form was wet. A7 - Organic Materials Spotted High Above Titan's Surfacehttp://sse.jpl.nasa.gov/news/display.cfm?News_ID=10716 During its closest flyby of Saturn's moon Titan on April 16, the Cassini spacecraft came within 1,027 kilometers (638 miles) of the moon's surface and found that the outer layer of the thick, hazy atmosphere is brimming with complex hydrocarbons. A8 - Search for organic molecules in the outer solar system.National Center for Biotechnology Information entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11537827&query_hl=2 Recent developments of millimeter astronomy have led to the discovery of more and more complex molecules in the interstellar medium. In a similar way, attempts have been made to detect complex molecules in the atmospheres of the most primitive bodies of the Solar System, i.e. outer planets and comets, as well as in Titan's atmosphere. An important progress has been achieved thanks to the continuous development of infrared astronomy, from the ground and from space vehicles. In particular, an important contribution has come from the IRIS-Voyager infrared spectrometer with the detection of prebiotic molecules on Titan, and some complex organic molecules on Jupiter and Saturn. Another important result has been the observation of carbonaceous material in the immediate surroundings of Comet Halley's nucleus. In the near future, the search for organic molecules in the outer Solar System should benefit from the developments of large millimeter antennae, and in the next decade, from the operation of infrared Earth-orbiting spacecrafts (ISO, SIRTF) . A9 - Organic Content of the Tagish Lake Meteoritehttp://web99.arc.nasa.gov/PDF/tagish.pdf The Tagish Lake meteorite fell last year on a frozen lake in Canada and may provide the most pristine material of its kind. Analyses have now shown this carbonaceous chondrite to contain a suite of soluble organic compounds (~100 parts per million) that includes mono- and dicarboxylic acids, dicarboximides, pyridine carboxylic acids, a sulfonic acid, and both aliphatic and aromatic hydrocarbons. The insoluble carbon exhibits exclusive aromatic character, deuterium enrichment, and fullerenes containing "planetary" helium and argon. The findings provide insight into an outcome of early solar chemical evolution that differs from any seen so far in meteorites. A10 - Researchers Find Possible Precursors to Early Life on Earth in MeteoriteNASA - Researchers Find Possible Precursors to Early Life on Earth in Meteorite The Tagish Lake meteorite fell to Earth over the Yukon Territory of Canada on Jan. 18, 2000. Parts of the meteorite were collected and kept frozen in an unprecedented level of cleanliness to ensure that it was not contaminated by any terrestrial sources. A11 - Sweet MeteoritesPage Not Found | Science Mission Directorate A NASA scientist has discovered sugar and several related organic compounds in two meteorites - providing the first evidence that another fundamental building block of life on Earth might have come from outer space. A12 - Carbonaceous meteorites as a source of sugar-related organic compounds for the early EarthCarbonaceous meteorites as a source of sugar-related organic compounds for the early Earth | Nature The much-studied Murchison meteorite is generally used as the standard reference for organic compounds in extraterrestrial material. Amino acids and other organic compounds important in contemporary biochemistry are thought to have been delivered to the early Earth by asteroids and comets, where they may have played a role in the origin of life. Polyhydroxylated compounds (polyols) such as sugars, sugar alcohols and sugar acids are vital to all known lifeforms”they are components of nucleic acids (RNA, DNA), cell membranes and also act as energy sources. But there has hitherto been no conclusive evidence for the existence of polyols in meteorites, leaving a gap in our understanding of the origins of biologically important organic compounds on Earth. Here we report that a variety of polyols are present in, and indigenous to, the Murchison and Murray meteorites in amounts comparable to amino acids. Analyses of water extracts indicate that extraterrestrial processes including photolysis and formaldehyde chemistry could account for the observed compounds. We conclude from this that polyols were present on the early Earth and therefore at least available for incorporation into the first forms of life. A13 - Phosphorus from meteoriteshttp://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=2423 Phosphorus plays a central role for life on Earth. It is an intimate part of life's architecture, contained in the salts that stiffen vertebrate bones and in phospholipids that form the walls of all living cells. It is linked to life's fundamental fuel, adenosine triphosphate (ATP), the energy storehouse that powers just about every physiological action. Even the lengthy genetic sequences of DNA and RNA ” the blueprints for life itself ” lie cradled within the twisting embrace of a pair of helical backbones built from phosphorus. A14 - The Time-Dependent Intense Bombardment of the Primordial Earth/Moon SystemEvC Forum: Harvard to sponsor abiogenesis project Think that creating a self replicating molecule would be enormously important? Its been done. Page not found | MIT News | Massachusetts Institute of Technology http://www.positiveatheism.org/crt/ghadiri.htm
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The next one is mostly computer simulations, not our topic. But near the end of the list are some articles about simulations of molecular replicationshttp://www.cs.bgu.ac.il/~sipper/selfrep/ But don't get too worried. Replication and reproduction are quite different. We remain so very far from the point at which we might be able to claim that life has been created. Thanks.
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RAZD,
This essay is a look at some of those molecules and the likely pre-existing conditions for the formation of life on earth. I don't see this as an essay as much as a compiled list of information / studies. Maybe the better way is to create the list in "Links / Information"? If multiple "building blocks" need to be discussed, then it seems that they should be broken into different threads. If you're simply providing a list as information to others, and trying to collect other information to add to the list, it seems like a prime candidate for the "Links and Information" forum. If that's NOT the path you want to take, then that's fine. It'll take a bit to go through this before promoting it, so I'm not sure how long it will take to promote as is. Thanks. Comments on moderation procedures (or wish to respond to admin messages)? - Go to:
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
that'll give me time to see if I can find new links for the broken ones.
Then I'll look at expanding commentary. I had thought of having each block as a message on the thread, but that gets cumbersome as well.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
okay
rewritten and links updated except for one. better? Don't post this yet, I want to rework it into a more cohesive effort first. This message has been edited by RAZD, 10*03*2005 12:55 PM
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I suppose that one issue that I have is the length of your opening post. You do have neat formatting, though! (a bit gaudy)
I would promote you if I understood you. I'll let Ben do it, though. This message has been edited by AdminPhat, 10-04-2005 09:42 AM
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AdminBen Inactive Member |
RAZD,
I'm still uncomfortable with this post (understanding that you're still reworking). Here's what's troubling me: 1. You have a long list of "building blocks" and a request for more. If these "building blocks" are up for discussion, then there are just too many to address in one thread. If you're simply building a list, then I really see that project as a "links and information" project, not something that goes into the discussion forums. The overall project (of collecting and discussing all these building blocks) is too big for a single discussion thread in my eyes. 2. You're trying to synthesize a lot of information into a coherent argument about why life coming from non-life is tenable. This is good, and I think if this part gets cleaned up (like you're doing at the moment), then things will be a bit more coherent, and you'll have a solid mini-essay that we can put out there. One thought I had, for this, but also for your essays in general; since they address so many points, and since they get so long and really integrate a lot of information, I thought it might be worthwhile to talk about putting them in the "Columnist's Corner" forum. It would probably require some changes in some of your essays, but due to the vast amount of material addressed in your posts, and given the quality that, at least I see in them, I think it's worth thinking about. If you're interested in it, I would encourage you to contact Percy directly (or I can bring it up in the Private Admin Forum). That's pretty much where I'm at at this point. Let me know what you think. And if things don't sound like where you want to go with them, I'm happy to ask another admin to take a look and give another viewpoint. The best I can do right now is just tell you my own take. Thanks. Comments on moderation procedures (or wish to respond to admin messages)? - Go to:
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
It's now completely re-written with an essay at the top (the core of the post) and then references (with material from them included for further reading by interested parties who may not want to read the whole linked articles).
One thought I had, for this, but also for your essays in general; since they address so many points, and since they get so long and really integrate a lot of information, I thought it might be worthwhile to talk about putting them in the "Columnist's Corner" forum. I think the forum idea is great, and I can think of a number of posters here that could contribute substantial columns to such a forum. I'm flattered, really, that you would include my efforts. by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD writes: Wow! Its like reading the encyclopedia! I apologize for the length, but this is a compilation I have made over the last two years of points that to me constitute an overview of the state of current knowledge.RAZD I dunno if a PNT this long will be very popular. I would read it just so I could comment on it, but this is not the place to start it. I don't know what to do with you, RAZD! For a Deist, you sure have a lot of ideas! I'll read it and give you a personal answer via e-mail, though. This message has been edited by AdminPhat, 10-09-2005 09:22 AM
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I think the forum idea is great, and I can think of a number of posters here that could contribute substantial columns to such a forum. I'm flattered, really, that you would include my efforts. I'll bring this up in the admin forum for discussion in general. I'll see what the other admins think, what kinds of formatting and / or review requirements, procedures, etc. everything like that. Please be patient in the meantime... And of course, thanks as always for your contributions to the forum. Comments on moderation procedures (or wish to respond to admin messages)? - Go to:
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
You realize that only the top part is the essay, and the rest is reference (with exerpts) and a little commentary for focus, right?
That isn't really longer than several other topics I've posted (not that this is saying anything)
For a Deist, are saying I should season Deist in my postings?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
any idea yet, oh great cactus on steroids?
(not knowing how long the process takes, how formal it is, etc)
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Since we haven't been using the "Columnist's Corner" at all, it's going to take a bit of work. If you have a time-frame where you're concerned about getting this out, then I can consider promoting without trying all the "CC hoola" (that's a technical term). If not... then I'd advise to sit back and relax... it'll take some talking, and a some of the admins are a bit busy at the moment, so a little slow to reply.
I'd say... if you can, give it 4 or 5 days. I'll get back to you then if that's cool, even if we haven't discussed much (or anything). Being an admin is being like an NFL ref--better have a day job Thanks. Comments on moderation procedures (or wish to respond to admin messages)? - Go to:
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Hi RAZD,
Sorry things took so long. Looks like you're "in". It will take a little refurbishing of "Columnist's Corner" (the place got a bit dusty from disuse), but we'd like to get this into a form appropriate for that forum. In the meantime, I'm going to give you a brief rundown of what things may entail. Feel free to give feedback, especially because... we're looking at a fair amount of work. Let me explain: We'd like to make a sort of magazine-style list of articles that can independently be supported on a webpage. "Columnist's Corner" will be a forum where, when we add new articles to this webpage, we simply give notifications in that forum (and show the contents of the article via an IFRAME, I suppose). Because we're looking at doing a magazine-type thing, there's a few administrative processes that we (you and me) gotta go through before a final submission.1. Formatting guidelines 2. Review / Edit process (between article writer/submitter and admin editor) 3. Sumbission and discussion. The formatting guidelines is something given to any columist; we want submissions that either are in the format we want, or in a format that we can easily make into what we want. Currently, we don't have forum guidelines done yet. I'm going to talk to AdminAsgara, as she's the one in charge of HTML-type issues. You tend to use a lot of formatting to really highlight your points, so I know we're going to need to be flexible enough for you. But it's going to take time on your part to edit your post to fit with the format of our website. I'm not sure how it'll work yet. The submit / edit cycle... that will take some time as well. That's probably best done via private email. I'll start that when I get home; I'm sorry things are so slow. Things will get a little faster, but there's a lot of things to pull together (since we don't have much in place, but "grand ideas" ) As for everything else... it would be great if you think you could contribute regularly. AdminAsgara suggested maybe once every month or 2 months; I thought that was crazy. It's hard work and a time-consuming process. If you can contribute regularly, or even if you can contribute irregularly, or if you just want to "try and see", I'd appreciate to get your feedback. I'd really appreciate any feedback you have on the ideas, processes, or anything I'm talking about here. In the meantime, I'll send a mail to AdminAsgara and start with the editing process. Since we (you and me) are the "pioneers" in a sense here, it's up to us to establish methods, guidelines, etc via our thoughts and experience. So keep that in mind as you proceed. Thanks again for your contributions. Ben Comments on moderation procedures (or wish to respond to admin messages)? - Go to:
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
What you are suggesting is really nothing more than peer review and publishing guidelines.
I'm cool with that.
Currently, we don't have forum guidelines done yet. I'm going to talk to AdminAsgara, as she's the one in charge of HTML-type issues. You tend to use a lot of formatting to really highlight your points, so I know we're going to need to be flexible enough for you. As long as the points are clear, and there is a distinction between a reference quote and a critique quote I can handle that. Reference could be just the standard indented quote while critique quote could be the normal quotebox mechanism.
AdminAsgara suggested maybe once every month or 2 months; I thought that was crazy. It's hard work and a time-consuming process. The time I have available varies, some days I have lots other days none, so I could not guarantee an output. If you need that kind of output then I suggest recruiting a number of columnists so you can pick the best column each month. It could also be interesting to invite an outsider to present a column as long as they agreed to substantiate their position in any following critique. These could be big name types in the debate. Let's proceed and see where we get to eh? Could be fun and productive. {added by edit} One concern I have with the frame presentation is that the one from Malmuthus ended up with black text on blue background and is hard to read in that format. setting the background for the frame to white would solve that issue. This also means that my use of other colors would have to be curtailed, and that is reasonable given these constraints. This message has been edited by RAZD, 10*13*2005 11:03 PM by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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