WS-JW displays his brand of Christian love and compassion ...

This diatribe is from WS-JW on Message 63(Simple and RAZD)[/color])< !--UE--> Other than his ad hominem attack (logical fallacy) and his loving compassion displayed by these comments ("Your gonna die of cancer and become dirt anyway, right?'), his post consists of an appeal for wallowing in ignorance rather than confronting the reality that surrounds us, and a profound misunderstanding of what constitutes morality ("Drugs, sex, lies, deciet").No where does he deal with the evidence presented in the thread, instead he asks why anyone would argue for evolution. The answer is simple: when we have a choice between truth and falsehood, we should chose truth. Truth is based on more than just belief, it is based on the reality of the world around you. Belief that denies any part of the truth of the world around you is false, and anyone who argues to promote such falsehoods needs to be show the logical falsehoods of their position.Chances are they themselves will never see that they are deluded - simple never will - but the argument is not just to convince the opponent in a debate, but those reading them. No, it is not for those reasons: it is for the sake of future generations of children, for them to be freed from the tentacles of stuporstitions promulgated by the con-artist sham fakes that misrepresent reality, the creatortionistas, and the people that prefer will-o-the-wisp fantasy to reality.It is out of love for those children and love for the truth.And if science has anything to do with it, I won't die of cancer but something else. But if your kind of world were in effect here and now, I would likely already be dead. Thank you for your loving compassion. Anytime you want to discuss what I say, ask me instead of putting your false words in my mouth to argue against: that is a straw-man logical fallacy and a falsehood. Makes me wonder if you are interested in any truth or just your personal fantasy world.Enjoy.ps - anytime you want to start discussing facts instead of hurling insults, I'll be ready.

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Hi RAZD,If I could make a suggestion, you might consider gauging the fervor with which you address WS-JW's posts to the level of knowledge and sophistication they display.--Percy

Another candidate for "Fundies Say the Darndest Things!" hall of shame.

As a believer in God, I have no problems with evolution. I often wonder why some folks feel that evolution is such a threat to their world view and belief paradigm.Additionally, if the God whom they believe created the Heavens and the Earth is so very real and personal, why is it that they express outright jealousy and disdain for other fellow humans?I would think that such an attitude defeats the whole point of belief in a Creator as source.

What I like best is the implicit assumption that drugs are more rewarding than scientific research.It's funny on so many levels.Now excuse me. "Obviously no one here is PRO EVOLUTION", so I have to disappear in a puff of logic.

Hmmm. And I was going out to the lab this afternoon to get caught up on some analyses. I guess I'll have to hunt up some high-school girls that have some weed instead.

This is a good point; one must combat falsehood when one can. One has an additional duty to combat falsehood when it is part of a movement to install the evangelical Christian version of Sharia.But I feel that facts and knowledge are their own reward, and are their own justification. Even if there were no creationists around muddying up the waters, we would still be learning about the evolutionary history of life on earth for no other reason than that is the way the world is, and it is always a good thing to know about the world.

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Q: If science doesn't know where this comes from, then couldn't it be God's doing?A: The only difference between that kind of thinking and the stereotype of the savage who thinks the Great White Hunter is a God because he doesn't know how the hunter's cigarette lighter works is that the savage has an excuse for his ignorance. -- jhuger

Let me see if I've got this straight. There's no such thing as an evolutionist because they're not in the lab, they're livin' la vida loca?Stunning. Truly stunning.As a woman who has returned to school at the age of 41 out of an abiding love for science, I find this drivel mind boggling.

Heh. I find your naveté refreshing. After a while, you'll become jaded like the rest of us, and your mind won't boggle nearly so easily.

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Q: If science doesn't know where this comes from, then couldn't it be God's doing?A: The only difference between that kind of thinking and the stereotype of the savage who thinks the Great White Hunter is a God because he doesn't know how the hunter's cigarette lighter works is that the savage has an excuse for his ignorance. -- jhuger

It is amazing, but you can tell that it's quickly and emotionally written, and the poster only seems to have knowledge of informal ranting, as means of getting his point across.To him, right now nothing and nobody can change his passion to say such things. Only a very patient fire-fighter will put that fire out.That takes self-motivation aswell. It's a formula.But for me it was serendipity - not my opponent, that convinced me YECism was wrong. My opponent mentioned some formal symbollic logic, yeteryear (Crashfrog) - and thereby unwittingly kindled my rational mind.I think it's right to feel pity though, and not be too harsh on them, because in all honesty - my motives were not even bad at all, it's simply that the uninformed mind is a breeding ground, and can become the recipient of the religious sophist. If you have that desire to believe fervently, then the evangelist hardly has to say anything, and you've digested his rhetorical diatribe in no time.So I understand RAZD's disgruntlement completely - I guess that without experience of being deluded, it is hard to understand the claimant's multitude of fallacious phlegm.Edited by mike the wiz, : Spellings

What, you couldn't hear Alanis singing "Isn't it ironic?" in the background of that post?Besides, sex, drugs and lab work relate to each other in ways unimagined by the uninformed.

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Is it me or WS-JW's rant sounded exactly like one of those rants by the evil twins? You know who I'm talking about.

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No IMO the twins come across as more intelligent but also more pompus pompous? in their posting than this guy.Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.

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See Spellchecking.--Percy

sorry, wrong threadEdited by Woodsy, : No reason given.