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DNAunion
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Message 292 of 299 (94680)
03-25-2004 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 282 by Ooook!
03-25-2004 6:30 AM


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Oook: You do have that knowledge don't you? You didn't just sit there with a pile of biochemistry books and look in the indexes for 'information'?
Sure, I recalled all those hundreds of quotes word-for-word, and what pages they were found on, off the top of my head. Get real. I KNEW that DNA contains information and when simple logic that SHOULD HAVE worked didn't (for some completely unknown reason), then looked in the indexes to find supporting quotes.
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To make it easier for you I'll draw you a little picture. How's that?
DNA/RNA ---------------------------------> DNA/RNA/Protein
Somewhere along the dotted line, your much touted 'information' got into the DNA in order for it to encode for proteins. How do think that happened?
Now, see, that's NOT the question I thought you actually wanted to ask when you changed your question yesterday to past tense. I thought you were wanting to know how the information got into the very first self-replicator, such as an RNA replicase. But now we see you weren't asking that, but were once again asking about an event that is believed to have occurred long after life had already arisen, and long after "random" mutation and natural selection were operating.

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DNAunion
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Message 296 of 299 (94705)
03-25-2004 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 295 by crashfrog
03-25-2004 1:05 PM


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DNAunion: So if something’s distribution is far from being equal, it can correctly be said to be nonrandom. Thus, it can be correctly stated that genomes with hotspots — mutations that are clearly not evenly distributed throughout the genome - have mutations that are not truly random.
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Crashfrog: Just curious: By extension, when I go to the Indian casino up the road and shoot craps, does the fact that the craps roll only happens at the craps table and never in the lobby or by the Bingo games - that is to say, not "equally spacially distributed" - mean that the craps roll is nonrandom?
Okay, since you seem incapable of figuring out where you made any kind of material change:
ME: I discussed mutations in a genome, the only place where "they" occur
YOU: You switched to discussing rolling craps at a craps table only, instead of rolling craps at the craps table and in the lobby and at the Bingo table, adding places where the event isn’t even supposed to occur.
You can’t see how your analogy doesn’t parallel my original...where you strayed?
Even if you don't, can't you see that arguing against me on this is pointless? I've already won, now that I’ve quoted the strongly anti-Creationist biologist Richard Dawkins stating that hotspots do show mutations to not be random, in that sense. So anyone trying to say I am wrong has already been refuted. But hey, if want to continue trying to prove a point you never can, be my guest.

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