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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Author | Topic: Dominant Force in West Today According to Dennis Prager is Fear of Left | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: the Tree of Llfe refers to eternal llfe, not earthly llfe. Yet another profitable con job but once again, simply not supported by what is written in the Genesis 2&3 story.
Faith writes: That is why God had it guarded after the Fall, since eternal llfe in our sinful condition would make us llke Satan himself, and if we are mrely mortal we can be saved as Satan can't be. And the snake-oil continues. That is NOT why the Garden was guarded according to what is actually written in Genesis 2&3 and another creation of thye Apoligists to try to make the Bible fit the Go0d and Story they created. And so far there has been no evidence presented to explain why people fear the left or that the fear of the left is a driving force in the west today.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Doesn't it say the Tree of Llfe was guarded against us "Lest they take of the tree of llfe and llve forever?" Eternal llfe right there.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: But which according to Calvinism is part of the design for the creation. And how could a spiritual force simply arise?
quote: You suggest that it is beyond God’s capabilities to make a universe capable of resisting this assumed spiritual force?
quote: According to Calvinism God required those sins, he made it necessary that they occur. All sin is by God’s will and intent.
quote: It really isn’t. You just want a contradiction. You want God to be in complete control, but you don’t want God to be responsible for the bad things. You can’t have both.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Basically what Calvinism means by our not having free will is just that we don't have the ability to choose righteously because our minds are fallen. That's what the principle of totqal Depravity means. What we think is good isn't good by God's standards. "All our righteousness is as filthy rags" says Isaiah. But Calvin never denied that we don't have the free will to make daily innocuous choices, chocolate versus vanilla or whether to take the cruise to Alaska or to Portugal or whatever.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Actually "all gods are NOT recognized as universal" by their adherents. If you know the Byble at all you know that gods are identified by the people they are the gods of. But I don't think you need the Byble for that either, we know that Krisha is a god of India, Horus is a god of Egypt and so on. No they are not treated as universal, they are tribal gods.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Doesn't it say the Tree of Llfe was guarded against us "Lest they take of the tree of llfe and llve forever?" Eternal llfe right there. LOL Once again you misrepresent what is actually written by quote mining and taking stuff out of context.
quote: Notice no mention of man becoming like satan, rather that man had become as one of us. True. the Apologists try hard to pervert the Bible and twist it to be the story THEY created but we can still check their spiel by actually reading what is written.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Which I have not discussed - nor is it relevant since Adam and Eve supposedly had unfallen minds. Let us deal with the points I have raised rather than haring off after irrelevancies.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
reading in context is generally a good thing. You might learn how to do that. that
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And so you once again offer no support for your position.
Now is there any evidence that Fear of the Left the driving force in the west today beyond the rantings of the Alt-Right Apologists?
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
The tree was guarded to prevent them from having eternal life - i.e. they did not have eternal life - they were subject to death right from the beginning. Doesn't it say the Tree of Llfe was guarded against us "Lest they take of the tree of llfe and llve forever?" Eternal llfe right there."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0
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The tree was only "guarded" once they ate from the other tree. Clearly eternal life and "knowledge" did not go hand in hand.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Notice no mention of man becoming like satan, rather that man had become as one of us. The implication is clearly there. First off, if they truly were "as one of us" they would in fact have eternal life. The implication was that this particular critter was likely foreknown to disobey and eat the tree of knowledge before they were ready for it. Thus begins the long storied history of humans. Wars, famines, betrayals, greed, lusts, all of the dicey realities that knowledge has brought us. Granted we have discovered some new and useful things also, but I believe that this story will not end up successfully since by and large humans still reject God. Nowadays they claim He is a human invention of our minds. Brushing aside that reality will ultimately lead to our demise. And yes there are carny barksters and apologist hucksters, but that is not the default position of Biblical Christianity. Your view may seem more logical and likely to you on the surface, but you forget that we are indeed fallible and prone to error. had we listened to God from Day One it would not be that way. I will admit, however, that He foreknew this to happen. Perhaps He also foreknows that a sizeable proportion of you wont believe the stories sold by the CCoI. It too is foreknown. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: First off, if they truly were "as one of us" they would in fact have eternal life. No Phat, once again you are simply misrepresenting what was actually written to try to make it fit into in Bible you created.
Phat writes: Your view may seem more logical and likely to you on the surface, but you forget that we are indeed fallible and prone to error. had we listened to God from Day One it would not be that way. Utter nonsense Phat and certainly not in what is actually written in the Genesis 2&3 fable.
Phat writes: I will admit, however, that He foreknew this to happen. And you continue to market the God you create instead of the God that is actually described in the story.
Phat writes: Perhaps He also foreknows that a sizeable proportion of you wont believe the stories sold by the CCoI. When the stories marketed by the CCoI do not correspond to what is actually written it would be foolish to believe them.
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
And you continue to market the God you create instead of the God that is actually described in the story. Indeed I do. I refuse to accept a God that is hesitant, unsure, and in need of correction by humans. To me, that simply places humans as their own judge and responsible fully for their own salvation and justification. And that I will not accept.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
As Phat said, they NO LONGER had eternal llfe after they disobeyed God. As God had said, if they disobeyed they would die, they had become mortal. So to prevent them from living forever in their fallen condition God kept them away from the Tree of Llfe.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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