Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 59 (9164 total)
3 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,929 Year: 4,186/9,624 Month: 1,057/974 Week: 16/368 Day: 16/11 Hour: 0/4


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Why does evolutionary science seem to be
Prozacman
Inactive Member


Message 3 of 107 (81977)
02-01-2004 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jagz Beach
02-01-2004 12:36 PM


Assuming that you mean by "we" = the evolutionary-scientists who study nature in all of it's grandeur, then how may I ask, do "we" prove or disprove the existence of a creator without destroying or watering down the scientific-method? The existence of a creator is not a testable hypothesis by strict scientific standards, and therefor cannot be proven or disproven by the methods of science. Science has it's limits; the scientist cannot be dispassionate or otherwise about "God", because "God" is a religious matter. It is absolutely incorrect to say that "we" are trying to prove the nonexistence of a creator or of an after-life. The reailty of a creator is a matter of religious faith, not of evolutionary science.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by Jagz Beach, posted 02-01-2004 12:36 PM Jagz Beach has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 50 by Jagz Beach, posted 02-09-2004 7:06 PM Prozacman has replied

  
Prozacman
Inactive Member


Message 38 of 107 (83090)
02-04-2004 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Itachi Uchiha
02-01-2004 5:05 PM


Just how, may I ask does your pal Tim Wallace back up his claim?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 4 by Itachi Uchiha, posted 02-01-2004 5:05 PM Itachi Uchiha has not replied

  
Prozacman
Inactive Member


Message 39 of 107 (83094)
02-04-2004 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Itachi Uchiha
02-02-2004 5:22 PM


As I have said elswhere, a scientist who proposes hypotheses that cannot be tested, and makes statements that cannot be supported by inference, observation, & experiment, does not get very far in the sphere of scientific peer-review. This Tim Wallace person is not respected by the scientific community on the subject of evolution regardless of his PhD in Chemistry.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 8 by Itachi Uchiha, posted 02-02-2004 5:22 PM Itachi Uchiha has not replied

  
Prozacman
Inactive Member


Message 106 of 107 (86458)
02-15-2004 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Jagz Beach
02-09-2004 7:06 PM


Sorry this took so long.
No, science is not religious in the "I have FAITH that evolution occures" sense. Science is about wonder and curiosity, and using logical and consistent ways(observation, experimentation, etc.)to find answers to what makes us wonder. The only way, I think, that science demonstrates "faith" is when scientists have come to rely on the methods of scientific inquiry, and this is due to the fact that these "methods" have worked so many times in the past in finding the answers. Although there seem to be more books these days written by scientist writers on the subject of God,(God & the New Physics, Paul Davies for example), these are usually popular works not written for scientific peer review. I may be wrong however on this as I don't know if "Science", a leading peer review journal has ever accepted for publication articles with "God" as a subject. This certainly shows the character of science in that it doesn't delve too deeply into religious questions. I personally do not deny the possibility of a creator-god, but the "...probabilty of a creator..." as you say is for me a matter that cannot be tested with the methods of science. Therefor I as well as scientists in general would agree, I think, that the question can be left to the theologians. Perhaps someday, science may create a test whereby God, or gods, can or can't be shown to exist, but faith in an "authority" (like the Bible) doesn't cut the mustard in science.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 50 by Jagz Beach, posted 02-09-2004 7:06 PM Jagz Beach has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024