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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Oxymoron.
Conservatives think... Phat writes:
It's easier to believe that Trump shares a UCA with parasitic worms - with apologies to the parasitic worms; they can't help it. It is hard to believe that Trump and Bernie Sanders shared a UCA.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
I presume by looking at how climate change may have affected evolution in the past. But this is a classic case of goalpost-shifting. You asked for examples of uses for the UCA. There's an example. Now you're demanding that I justify the usefulness of the example? As I said earlier in the thread, it's up to scientists to decide what's useful to them. Nobody cares whether you agree.
Pray tell. how is the concept of UCA helping scientists to "understand how life on our planet is reacting to climate change"? Dredge writes:
Then you're shooting yourself in the foot. If they use it, it's useful. I can't recall claiming they don't use evolutionary biology.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
That's odd. I've used it often enough before.
I had to look up "religionist". Phat writes:
According to Wikipedia:
I wonder if the animal brain rules the thinking in addicted religionists?quote:See also Agression, Fear, Anxiety, etc. in the same article. And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
The topic is "practical use", not "depend on". Please demonstrate how any of these uses depend on accepting the concept of UCA.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
You're being dishonest. You've moved the goalposts from UCA to evolutionary theory. You can't provide an example of a practical use for evolutionary theory.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
I didn't say you dropped anything. I said you changed the question from the one that people have been answering.
1. Where did I say I'm dropping the concept of UCA from the discussion? Dredge writes:
But evolutionary theory doesn't necessarily imply UCA. Even if you could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there was no use for UCA, that would not falsify UCA. And even if you could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there was no UCA, that would not negate evolutionary theory. 2. The concept of UCA implies evolutionary theory.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Climate change is a specific example.
How has "looking at how climate change may have affected evolution in the past" provided a practical use today? You made the claim, now you need to back it up with supporting evidence - to wit: a specific example. Dredge writes:
I know. You said the opposite. I'm pointing out that that's nonsense. You're implying that I said ALL evolutionary biology is useful, which is not what I said at all. Scientists do use evolutionary theory and UCA. If they use it, it's useful to THEM whether you think it's useful or not. If somebody thinks tobacco is useful in his work and he uses it, your opinion on its usefulness is worthless.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Don't be silly. I can think of a practical use for potato chips. That doesn't mean I depend on them. ringo writes:
It's the same thing. The topic is "practical use", not "depend on".And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
No it doesn't. Life could have evolved separately - on each continent, for example. The process of evolution would be the same.
ringo writes:
Yes it does. But evolutionary theory doesn't necessarily imply UCA Dredge writes:
No. The common ancestor is based on observation. The observations happen to lead back to one root but that is not a requirement of the evolutionary process. That's basically what ToE is - all life on earth evolved from a common ancestor via a process of natural selection.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
On the contrary, if scientists do use it, it is useful. Maybe it isn't necessary, like oxygen, but it is useful. Do you understand the difference? you can't back up your claim (that the evolutionary history of the world has proven practically useful in tackling climate change) with any facts.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
Yes, Professor Bouroune is saying the same thing as I am - there is no dependency. We don't have to be dependent on something for it to be useful. What part of that do you not understand? ringo writes:
"none of the progress made in biology DEPENDS even slightly on a theory" I can think of a practical use for potato chips. That doesn't mean I depend on them Louis Bouroune ( Professor of Biology, University of Strasbourg), Determinism and Finality, 1957, p. 79. (emphasis mine)And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Genera do not mate....
That would be some orgy.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
I said that the common ancestor is "based on observation", not that it has been observed. Similarly, the electron is based on observation, even if there are no fossils of it.
ringo writes:
If so, where was this common ancestor observed and what name did they give it? And please provide an photo of its fossil remains. The common ancestor is based on observation. Dredge writes:
No. The ToE is about how one species evolves into another. The common ancestor is not a necessary part of the ToE. ToE has two parts:1. All organisms on earth are connected and related to each other, since they all descended from a common ancestor. 2. All life on earth descended from a common ancestor via a process of natural selection (and other mechanisms, which could collectively be called, "the evolutionary process"). And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
"Despite denials by some ignorant creationists, scientists around the world are using the science of evolutionary biology to understand how life on our planet is reacting to a changing climate." Message 25 What is your evidence that they "do use it"? If you dispute that statement, it's up to you to show that it's wrong.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Porkncheese writes:
Piltdown Man was exposed as a fraud by the very science that you scoff at. Pitdown man was the basis of this pseudoscience for over 100 years before it was embarrassingly uncovered as a deliberate hoax.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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