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Author Topic:   Is the Bible the Word of God II?
joz
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Message 2 of 97 (4592)
02-15-2002 10:59 AM


While this is on the Pi=3 thread I think it belongs here as well....
*reposting*
From:
http://www.cecm.sfu.ca/projects/ISC/Pihistory.html
Babylonians 2000? BCE 3.125 = 3 + 1/8
Egyptians 2000? BCE 3.16045
China 1200? BCE 3
Bible (1 Kings 7:23) 550? BCE 3
Archimedes 250? BCE 3.1418 (ave.)
Hon Han Shu 130 AD 3.1622 = sqrt(10) ?
Ptolemy 150 3.14166
Chung Hing 250? 3.16227 = sqrt(10)
So book, chapter and verse would be 1 kings (7:23)...
Seems to me that if the babylonians got 3.125 in 2000 B.C and the Egyptians got 3.16045 in 2000 B.C a God inspired inerrant bible should do better than 3 in 550 B.C....

  
joz
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Message 35 of 97 (8136)
04-03-2002 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Hieyeck
04-02-2002 9:05 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Hieyeck:
Besides, what's so great about eating flesh? Vegetarians live 33% longer lives (that's if you want to live a long life), remain healthier, and the list goes on. And the 'lack of protein' is a fable. 40% of a soya bean is protein compared to eggs (17%), and beef (<10%). On average,beans are just less than 30% protein so eating 1.5lbs of beans give you just as much as 5lbs of beef (this is before cooking the beef, you lose about 1-5% of it depending on how you cook it). AND, I don't need to worry about animal borne diseases.
I`ve tried eating veggy food in the past but it tastes... well like there is something missing really, I just couldn`t get used to it so I went back to eating meat....
Call me fussy but I like to enjoy eating my food and veggy just did not do it for me....
Incidentaly I would agree that western society as a whole consumes far to much meat I probably do myself....
As for the animal borne diseases thing thats a bit of an overstatement, sure things like KJD from eating BSE infected meat will be avoided but you still have to watch out for rabid squirels for example (this is no joke there was a rabid squirel out on the road where I live last year attacking everything in sight...)
Oh and as for the veggies live 33% longer does that mean you include fish as a vegetable? Just the Japaneese have the highest average life expectancy mainly attributed to their staple diet of fish and rice....
(of course it would be higher still if they didn`t eat a carcinogenic fern as a delicacy)
[This message has been edited by joz, 04-03-2002]

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joz
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Message 41 of 97 (8181)
04-04-2002 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by techristian
04-03-2002 9:26 PM


quote:
Originally posted by techristian:
1)a)Do you look like a giant snake? (Maybe you do.) b)When Adam was first created his DNA was perfect there was no incest back then. Our DNA today is full of mutations. c)Not GOOD ONES as most atheists believe. No you're not evolving, but DEVOLVING due to entropy.
2)It was ALL in Adams genes. Did you ever see a black haired child born to 2 BLONDE parents. It may have been from a grandparent (the genes are far more vast than only those which are passed on).
3)Order doesn't come by itself without outside influence.
4)Because he is also a just God. If he says that he will punish the wicked, then he will punish the wicked. You have a simple choice to avoid Hell. Believe in Jesus Christ and you will be saved.
5)This is the common cry of Animal rights activists, but most of the same activists think nothing of murdering a child in the womb.
6)We'll throw a bunch of car parts out and tell me 10 million years from now if they assemble themselves together.
7)There is no real proof of ET. It take a FAITH to believe such nonsense.

1)a)Actually I look a lot like hairless ape, just like you do....
b)Really, how do you know? Where is the sample of patriarch DNA that you tested? What makes you think that there is a perfect DNA? what stops a random mutation being beneficial (yes they do happen ask Schraf about her missing wisdom teeth) and improving the "perfect" DNA?
c)Individuals evolving would be Lamarckism not evolution in its modern sense... Also the claim of devolution rather than evolution requires there to be no natural selection, are you arguing that in the past survival of the fittest played no role?
(Incidently my personal opinion is that modern man IS devolving as social constructs, the welfare state etc, remove selection mechanisms (not that I think the welfare state is a bad thing merely that it is potentialy problematic geneticaly), this is completely unrelated to the creationist arguments that all mutation reduces function...)
2)So whens your study coming out? you know the analysis of actual DNA samples that show we all have a common ancestor X (where X is of the order of 10) thousand years ago. After all if we are all directly descended from A and E it should be easy to demonstrate....
Unless there has been some sort of hyperevolutionary stage that the bible makes no mention of....
3)Ever watched a crystal grow?
4)So what if you are wicked AND you believe in JC?
Your comment implies that the worst child torturing, father killing mowing the lawn on a sunday sinner can play a get out of hell free card by CHOOSING to believe...
Before we get into the whole moral justification for sending good people who don`t believe to hell and admiting real evil believers to heaven how about you explain precisely why you think belief is a matter of choice (I hold that it is non elective BTW)....
5)Irrelevant, does the first commandment cover all life, all animal life, all humans, all humans except violent criminals or just all humans that your God hasn`t expressly told you to wage war upon killing their children salting their fields and enslaving their women?
6)Flawed analogy car parts do not breed or self replicate, do not mutate randomly and are not naturally selected.....
Also no one is arguing that a lung, brain and intestine suddenly popped into existence and sat around for a few millenia "evolving" into a man, which is the only scenario your analogy would be relevant to....
7)Apart from the probabilistic argument there is no evidence for sentient E.T`s however this does not show that there are none anywhere in the universe...

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joz
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Message 42 of 97 (8182)
04-04-2002 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by nator
04-04-2002 6:41 AM


quote:
Originally posted by schrafinator:
Also, if you know how to cook, and use high-quality ingredients, a vegetarian diet need not be boring at all. Most of the Mediterranean cuisines de-emphasize meat and that area is known for some of the best food in the world.
Yeah I like Greek , Turkish and Armenian food Itallian doesn`t do it for me but Spanish is good (I cook a mean Paella) personally I prefer curries from Sri lanka, Bangladesh etc (I cook an even meaner Do piazza) the problem really isn`t lack of ability to cook, its not like I tried veggy food by gnawing on a raw potato, its just that the food seems insipid and "missing something" when I completely exclude meat...
I try to use as little as possible and in fact a very small portion solves the problem I just don`t enjoy eating veggy food....

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joz
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Message 46 of 97 (8205)
04-05-2002 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by techristian
04-05-2002 9:27 AM


quote:
Originally posted by techristian:
You have dug yourself you own hole to fall in here. That is precisely why evolution couldn't work. For a living organism to live, grow and reproduce, it must have at least 3 systems is place SIMULTANEOUSLY.
1) The organism must have developed a simple RESPIRATORY SYSTEM. (be able to breath)
2) The organism must have developed a simple DIGESTIVE SYSTEM. (TO EAT)
3) In order to pass on this to the next generation, the organism must have a simple REPRODUCTIVE SYSTEM. (to multiply)

Well done TXtian you just defined rust at being alive....
So now all I have to do to prove abiogenesis to you is leave a piece of iron out to oxidise.....
More seriously if this is some attempt to use percieved IC (irreducible complexity) to gainsay evolution you have got it wrong on 2 points first evolution is not the concept under attack but abiogenesis, second Muller (a Nobel prize winning biologist) pointed out in 1939 that evolution produces IC structures. Hence percieved IC does not stand as a valid method for gainsaying evolution....

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