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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Some creationists love quotes from authorities that seem to discredit science in general or evolution in specific. The gullible ones see them on their favorites creationist sites and repeat them because they seem to support their worldview.
But quote mining is false witness, the full context betrays them.
quote: Color added for emphasis: it is the science that speaks, not people, whatever the quote says. This is difficult to get through to many creationists because they are notably authoritarians who are raised (or genetically predisposed) to believe authorities over evidence. This applies as much to republicans as it does to creationists, hence our current buffoon of a president celebrated for his authoritarian statements, regardless of factual voids and contradictions or any relationship to reality. Many creationist in fact don't seem to even know what evidence is. Math is not evidence of reality, logic is not evidence of reality. Rocks and fossils and radioactive isotopes are examples of evidence of reality. And this is frequently due to strict conservative religious upbringing coupled with a lack of scientific experience and training or even training in open-mindedness and true skepticism. Quote mines are lies. Repeating them is lying, even if it is through ignorance and biased thinking. So this is a resource to check your "quotes" for veracity and reality:
So the honest creationist should read through this list, be ashamed if they have used any of them, and have their skeptical hackles (if they have any) raised when they see similar quotes ... and question the source, because again:
quote: It is the science that speaks, not people, whatever the quote says. /rant Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Here's a good There, fixed it for you. You do realize that this site is a laughing stock for rational people that choose fact over fiction, yes? This excerpt you cite is so funny. Always good for a laugh. Thanks. Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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She never had high ground.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Certainly you found some parts of it funnier than others, right? How about this line, from that link;
quote: That was a real knee-slapper, wasn't it? It was marc, in fact it was that totally logic free statement uttered as if it were the death toll on the term that really set me howling ... with laughter. The dictionaries don't define every two word combination.
Probably the biggest quote mine in U.S. history happened about 70 years ago, when the U.S. Supreme Court took a quote mine from a Thomas Jefferson letter to a religious denomination that was intended to agree with them concerning the importance of religious liberty. The "separation of church and state" quote mine was used to change/lessen traditional Judeo Christian involvement in government. The phrase was taken completely out of the context it was intended for well over a hundred years earlier. And yet the context of his quote supports the decision made. If you disagree then post the letter and show it. Then we can howl ... with laughter ... at your twisted interpretation. You see quote mining doesn't mean just taking a quote from some text -- it means taking a quote out of context so that it looks like the opposite of what was said. That was not the case with Jefferson's letter.
I don't deny that some creationists sometimes do cross the line when quoting scientists, but if you want to try to convince people that many Democrats / atheists, whether they're militant atheist scientists or militant Trump haters, don't do the same and probably worse, you're not going to succeed. Agreed -- all malicious use of quotes out of context are evil, they mislead and play false witness to the reality. It's just funny when the purported morally superior lot of purported christian types lie through their teeth with them.
I think you'd do well to drop it, but I hope you don't. Your side hasn't won an election in a while, you and the mainstream news media need to keep right on doing what you're doing to keep it that way. The difference is that you don't know that you lost as well. The republicans only represent corporations, they only toss you bones to get elected and then don't come through with the goods promised. Such gullible suckers. How's your healthcare? Really? But then, if you believe in a young earth, then you already live in a fantasy world. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : . Edited by RAZD, : ..by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Since you NEVER concede points, ... Wrong. I have admitted errors and conceded many points in the past, some to Faith for example.
"Open compound words" are two words with a space between them, but when they are read together a new meaning is formed. Examples; ... You'll find all these at Dictionary.com | Meanings and Definitions of Words at Dictionary.com. But you won't find "quote mine" there. And you will note that my response was:
... The dictionaries don't define every two word combination. So funny. I bet they don't define "gullible fool" either.
... Still laughing? ... Haven't you noticed that everyone (that replied) is laughing at you on this? Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
So carry on with more detail about creationist quote mining as though liberals never do it. ... And I've never said nobody else does it, that must be part of your fantasy.
You're a long-time poster here who's loved and adored. You're excellent at starting and maintaining evolutionist love-fests. That's all this forum is about - not sure if it's been that way since its beginning or not. There can never be any meaningful, adult discussion here concerning creation vs evolution. It's gotten so I can't say 2 words without having 5 trolls immediately on my back. Most here would say that's because my views are so radical, but they don't get out much. And half the time I can't tell if you're a poe or a real creationist, oh the irony, because virtually 99% of what you say is so far outside the scope of reality. Can you tell me how you justify the age of the earth? Just curious ... (*)
That was your edited response, yes. Your original that I got in the email notification read like this; And if you look at my posts I often edit just after posting to make my meaning clearer and more honest ... what do you do when you look at a post and think it isn't quite correct?
So funny. I bet they don't define "gullible fool" either. Hmm, name calling from the one the trolls declare the winner. If the shoe fits, wear it. (too easy). Thanks for the entertainment. Enjoy (*) -- out of curiosity I checked the posting log for all the current and past versions of my "Age of the Earth" threads and out of:
and the current version (26 posts) ... for a total of 1499 posts on the topic ... you have said squat. Seems you prefer to nitpick from the sidelines than actually participate. ** oh by the way, that's an edit after posting to add material ... oops I did it again ... Edited by RAZD, : added Edited by RAZD, : addedby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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That's an attempt to completely change the subject. I think the moderators call it OFF TOPIC. And that's a dodge so you can keep from saying anything of value on any topic. Actually the point was that you don't debate things like the age of the earth but post silly comments from silly people that say silly things like "quote mine is not in the dictionary" ... and I provided a list of threads that could be replied to if you were interested. Here they are again:
Message 32(*) -- out of curiosity I checked the posting log for all the current and past versions of my "Age of the Earth" threads and out of:
and the current version (26 posts) ... for a total of 1499 posts on the topic ... you have said squat. Of course you could just say that you don't care how old the world actually is, that you aren't a YECie. But then we have your anti-science climate change denial silliness. Also a hoot. Enjoy Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Content hidden (use "peek" to see). Also "Off-Topic" banner.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Okay, now you can acknowledge that your issue about quote-mining not being in the dictionary is resolved,
(a) because contextomy is in the dictionary (b) encyclopedias, including creationwiki.org, define it: Quote mining - CreationWiki, the encyclopedia of creation science
quote: (c) because we all know what it means, being able users of the internet, and the internet defines it, and last but not least ... (d) the issue of creationist quote mining is not rebutted by your silly argument ... and that IS the issue of this topic. Not other people quote mining politicians or other red herrings you want to throw into the room to deflect from the issue of creationists using quote mines to spread false information, falsehoods that people claiming some moral high ground via their religious beliefs should not be spreading ... lies and bearing false witness. The joke is still on you because you still lose. You have not rebutted creationist use of quote-mines nor shown it is an uncommon creationist practice. You're just a nit-picker and not a debater. A troll. Or you could, as I have suggested, go to the appropriate thread to answer Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : oh look I edited again ...by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
quote: At the risk of running away from the topic: Exactly what was wrong or "immoral" about her statement? Curiously I think we can all agree that virtually all political campaigns use quote mines against their opponents. It is a political ploy to make the opponent look bad. To bring this back to the topic, this certainly is "Quote Mining, false witness for the gullible and willfully ignorant" ... with the purpose of getting votes, ie political support. What it shows about creationist usage, then, is that using quote mines in debates about science is waging a political campaign rather than a campaign based on facts and evidence. Nor does it matter the science, climate denial, evolution denial, age denial, all these denial campaigns are based on emotional appeal rather than scientific evidence, and they freely use quote mines to delude the gullible. Because they don't have the facts. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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