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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.6 |
quote: I have no idea why you would ask that question. I certainly haven't made any such claim. The fact is, however, that the videos are the only thing you are offering as evidence and they are pretty poor. (I know you object to that, but as I said - you don't like fair honest assessments of your sources)
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.6 |
Obviously they are not good evidence. There is even good reason to suspect active dishonesty in at least some.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.6 |
quote: Faith, as others have pointed out a list of links is not good evidence. If you actually bothered to read the links you would see that even Breitbart doesn't say that anyone is being forced to give up their homes. It's just people being asked to consider renting out second homes that would otherwise be unoccupied. What a terrible Socialist tyranny ! Let's guess. You got the idea from Infowars or an equally "reliable" video on YouTube, right ?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.6 |
quote: I don't remember you stating where the video came from. Anyway, I hope that persuades you not to trust any old video.
quote: They aren't being asked to give up anything. Didn't you notice that it was about renting properties out, not about selling them ? And I have to ask why you really think it is wrong to ask people with vacant properties to consider letting them when there is a housing shortage. Surely such a minimal measure is entirely civilised and entirely compatible with democracy.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.6
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quote: Do they refuse to print falsehoods that Trump wants them to print and print Truths that Trump doesn't want them to print. Isn't that what an unbiased news source should do ? Isn't calling it "fake news" outright lying ?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.6 |
So real news that you want suppressed.
The issue of contacts with Russia is certainly important given the Russian's apparent support for Trump - which may have spilled over into criminal territory and Trumps apparent willingness to look more favourably on the Russians, as well as the possibility that Trump has close financial links with Russia make it an issue. None of these cone into play with Obama. The fact that Flynn and Sessions were both less than forthcoming about their contacts with Russia is another black mark against the Trump administration. Sessions is appealing to technicalities - and on looking they seem very dubious - but the fact that he didn't mention his contacts when questioned smacks of evasion and naturally leads to suspicion. And that would be true even if his excuse was entirely reasonable - and it isn't. Edited by PaulK, : Updated on "technicalities"
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.6 |
As if orders were actually necessary. The anti-immigrant rhetoric from Trump and the enthusiastic take-up of it by Trump's supporters were pretty likely to influence behaviour for the worse. When personal judgements are involved that is quite enough.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.6 |
So now a "leftist" is anyone who doesn't worship Trump.
Trump has said plenty that ought to discredit him in the mind of any objective person.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.6
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When Trump calls the media "dishonest" for not repeating things he wishes to be true, he discredits himself. When Trump has to trash people on Twitter just for saying or doing things he objects to he discredits himself. When Trump talks about grabbing women "by the pussy" he discredits himself. When Trump makes false boasts he discredits himself.
Anyone who can't see that is a ridiculously biased Trump partisan.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.6
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quote: And yet everything I listed was something Trump himself wrote or said - is he an "anti-Trumper" ? And don't forget that Trump supporters are a minority. Besides you are forgetting all the pro-Trump comments from the media representatives about the same part of the speech.
quote: If millions of people take a view that is obviously wrong it is still wrong.
quote: By which you mean we don't want to see the media as Trumps personal propaganda machine as Trump - and apparently you - want. Trump has done a lot to earn criticism, so he gets it. You may want to suppress those facts but in a free country it is the media's task to report them - not censor them because you don't like them.
quote: You think that Trump didn't know he was being filmed ? Besides it is vile enough that it deserves criticism.
quote: No, but I hardly rethink of Clinton as a moral paragon or above criticism. Even if he had the sense not to say it while he was being filmed.
quote: He certainly gave the impression he had done it - truthfully or not.
quote: Oh no, Faith is a lying hypocrite! I had better join her in worshipping Trump as the Antichrist! Or you know, just laugh at you, as usual.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.6
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I guess that a tyrant needs more than millions of supporters to suppress the truth.
Nobody makes Trump go onto Twitter to bash people. Nobody outside the Trump camp persuaded Flynn or Sessioms to mislead Congress. Trump is the one who decided to keep his tax returns secret, unlike any other recent president. Trump is the one who made a heavy-handed executive order that is very likely illegal and caused massive disruption. Trump is the one who boasted that Mexico would pay for his wall, and can't seem to find a way to do it. Trump went on and on about the ACA being a disaster and then suddenly realised that coming up with something better is far from easy Need I go on ? Trump and his staff are the main reason he gets so much negative press.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.6 |
And note that Trump was presenting it as something he has done and expects to go on doing - not just something he thinks he might be allowed to do.
And that is definitely boasting.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.6 |
In that context I can't think of him as boasting.
That's boasting.
A sudden change of view there.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.6 |
So he falsely boasts about sexually assaulting women. That still isn't good.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.6 |
Grabbing a woman and kissing her without even waiting to give her a chance to refuse is assault in my book.
(And how on earth do you read "want to bet I can get her in bed this afternoon?" as assault ? That IS just words)
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