Trump's order on immigration and the wacko liberal response

Soros is well known among conservatives to be funding globalist and leftist politics. This has nothing to do with typical conspiracies about the Jews, this is specifically about Soros.What made the remark an accusation of anti-Semitism was that vulgar phrase: "Jew Gold." Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

If it's just a matter of resolving the status of green card and visa holders why is it taking so long?

Just to state my current view of this:1) I don't see how the Constitution has anything to do with this. I believe it shouldn't, but I also believe it doesn't.2) I don't see a reason why visa and green card holders couldn't be included in the ban; the law is about restricting or banning aliens, period. Individual exceptions can be vetted one by one.3) I certainly don't trust anyone on the Left to straighten these things out fairly. And that includes the courts dealing with it right now. Political ideological obstruction and intentional time-wasting explain it all best.4.) It does seem to me that the law is quite clear and that all the qualifications are more politically than legally motivated.5.) So at this point I'm waiting to see if a good clear conservative discussion of all the supposed hangups comes along.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Why should it need to be resolved? I haven't seen any legal reason why current visa holders shouldn't be restricted under the ban too.

It has NOT been "explained" how the Constitution applies to any aliens OUTSIDE wanting to come in. However, I agree that basic human rights are to be observed toward any human beings, but that's a small part of the Constitution and in some sense doesn't need to be dictated by the Constitution. Do remember of course that no Muslim country would grant even that much to anyone seeking to enter. The idea that due process is owed to ALIENS SEEKING ENTRY TO OUR COUNTRY makes no sense to me whatever. Due process COSTS US MONEY. This is like someone sitting on the curb in front of your house wanting to enter your house, and you being required to pay for legal costs to argue why they should not. This makes no sense. Or for illegal aliens, like someone who has broken into your house and you being required to show legally why they have no right to be there. This is nuts. I'll wait for a good discussion by a conservative on such questions. "Technical language" sounds like an opportunity for all kinds of Leftist flimflam. I'm also getting a little tired of foreigners like you telling us what our laws mean. I've "seen" no such thing. What I've seen is a bunch of speculation without any actual proof of anything. The only actual legal facts do not apply: the 14th amendment because it is about aliens already in the country; and the 1965 law about selecting nations because Obama's order selected nations and nobody objected. I suspect that is a law that should be repealed anyway. But I'll wait for some good conservative opinion about these things. Your opinion counts for nothing to me.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

An article that describes the immigration ban as malevolent and incompetent in the first sentence should be thrown in the trash. What utter stu/pidity. What does DATA have to do with an ideology that has stated its plan to move into foreign countries, build up its population, acquire political power, and subjugate the country for Allah? They have done this all over Asia already -- with a good dose of violent jihad to improve the case. They are murdering people in Africa for not being Muslims. This thinking is suicidally idi/otic. And Harvard Law School is Left of Left.Why is it that the Left wants to kill America?: Why is it that the Left wants to come under Sharia Law? Are you under the delusion that it won't happen? What's going on here? Why should I believe this? And considering what I said above about Islam's agenda it has nothing to do with the overarching danger of Islam anyway. Muslims already in the country are a ticking time bomb and the idi/ot Left refuses to see it, or sees it and for some crazy reason doesn't want to do anything about it. The law is clear, it does not require justification; and there are no REAL doubts about the Constitutionality of the move, that's all an invention of the Left. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I haven't seen any legal justification for the raising of the issue or the injunction, and of course I doubt the court's reading of the law. As I said, I'm waiting for a conservative to discuss all this. If they agree with you, fine; if not, I go with them.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I would agree with you without hesitation if it weren't for the fact that Leftist influences have perverted the Constitution and our courts and our laws ("case law" or law based on precedent rather than absolute standards is a perversion) for so long they are no longer what they were meant to be. That coupled with the perversion of our educational institutions by Leftist influences, which goes back to the rewriting of textbooks by the big foundations, on which I posted a link to the evidence for that some posts ago (Norman Dodd interview at You Tube), and the fact that sixties radicals are now running our educational system, the country is undermined from within with antiConstitutional influences. The more this battle against Trump goes on -- which has now turned violent which is absolutely against the entire history of American politics -- the more I think America is simply done for. It's over.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

That reduces what is a takeover by anti-American and antiwestern influences to a silly little spat. We no longer share the basic principles on which we could still disagree about secondary points, the whole system has been destroyed.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I'm all for the rule of law, until the laws are so twisted they serve an ideology I hate. No, they won't let Trump act on a very reasonable law that would serve national security, they hate national security, they hate national sovereignty, they hate America, they want to turn us into a third world swamp, they want to kill the nation's roots in Christianity, they hate everything the country used to stand for. It is said every day here at EvC, it is what we hear from Hollywood and all the Left. they think Trump should be killed. The calls for assassination are all over the Left. They have no interest in discussing anything, in having political disagreements, they lost and they refuse to accept it, they are enraged, they feel they have a right to run the country no matter what the other half thinks, they are going to take over one way or another because they are not interested in democracy, they are totalitarians. They want open borders which would desltroy the nation, so that our culture can be destroyed by alien cultures and overrun by people who hate us. Because they hate us.And the courts are just as perverted. They have to make a big issue out of this reasonable commonsensical law Trump just acted on, they have to twist it to take away the power that law gives him. I'm still open to questions about aspects of that law I suspect that's all a red herring, it's a stalling tactic to get as many Muslims who hate us into the country to threaten us as they can.I heard David Horowitz say on anj interview this morning that he's waited thirty years for Donald Trump. So have the rest of us who voted for him. But the Left we've all been oppressed by for all those decades is showing its true totalitarian colors and refuses to allow democracy to work.No. We're already in some kind of civil war. I hope it doesn't get worse but the way things look it could.

Right of course, it couldn't be that I expect the conservative interpretation to be the true one, could it? Of course not, it has to be that I'm not interested in the truth. The Left has been demolishing truth for so long you don't even know what it is.The latest posts prove exactly what I said. The political divide is at such a pitch there is not the slightest respect between the two sides. Actually this has been the case at EvC since I first got here, it's not new, it's just becoming more extreme since Trump's win which has brought out the murderous totalitarian hate on the Left.I sorely wish there was some way to physically divide the country so that the two sides wouldn't have to put up with the other's politics. I hate you all, you hate me. There is no give and take possible. There is nothing left.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

With good reason.You sleazy nitpicking literalminded lying leftists have to insist on never giving an inch, not a moment's grace, nothing. Pounce pounce pounce. I have many times rejected conservative views. And I would this time too except I expect it to turn out that the Liberals are doing the usual obfuscating obstructionist bleep.Hey Vimesey,k you think it's possible to have mere disagreements? Nope, impossible.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

No I want to go back to the way the American legal system functioned before it got turned into case law.

I personally think any law that defines who the nation can admit on some principle of fairness to the applicant, what nations, what persons, rather than the good of the nation, is basically PC, politically leftist and not in the interests of the nation. I guess I just have to opt out of this "discussion," because I object to the whole thing. It's one thing to have laws preventing discrimination among citizens, but in my opinion it's reprehensible to apply those laws to aliens. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Where are you getting your notions about who would and who wouldn't be deported?Also, please prove that there is even one such situation as the first one you describe.