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Author Topic:   $50 to anyone who can prove to me Evolution is a lie.
mark24
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Message 125 of 305 (51985)
08-23-2003 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by Zealot
08-23-2003 2:13 PM


Re: Premises
Zealot,
PLease respond to this.
Mark
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"I can't prove creationism, but they can't prove evolution. It is [also] a religion, so it should not be taught....Christians took over the school board and voted in creationism. That can be done in any school district anywhere, and it ought to be done." Says Kent "consistent" Hovind in "Unmasking the False Religion of Evolution Chapter 6."

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mark24
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Message 137 of 305 (52514)
08-27-2003 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Zealot
08-27-2003 9:51 AM


Re: Premises
Zealot,
Hi, from what I could gather, Darwin used the fossil record as evidence originally of evolution. I think he spent something like 27 years perfecting it (but I read that on some Christian site, so I cant verify it as unbias information). From what I've gathered, Darwin's original ToE has had its revisions and alterations to suit the evidence more, am I correct ?
Yes, on both counts.
My point was that if A,B,C,D,E,F,H,I point to evolution and 'G' does not point to evolution, then there would be an evolutionary theory to explain 'G' and thus 'G' would fit in with the rest of the alphabet and the ToE.
I agree completely. But all the evidence has to be within the same logical framework. That is; the falsifying evidence has to be 1/ logically valid, & 2/ Actually has to directly contradict the theory.
This is why fossil gaps don't falsify evolution. They aren't evidence at all, any argument based upon them against evolution is an argument from ignorance, because fossils haven't been found, they don't exist.
Mark
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"I can't prove creationism, but they can't prove evolution. It is [also] a religion, so it should not be taught....Christians took over the school board and voted in creationism. That can be done in any school district anywhere, and it ought to be done." Says Kent "consistent" Hovind in "Unmasking the False Religion of Evolution Chapter 6."
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mark24
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Message 158 of 305 (63433)
10-30-2003 4:17 AM
Reply to: Message 156 by PeriferaliiFocust
10-30-2003 12:53 AM


navajoeverclear,
There are certain parts of the evolutionary theory that are undeniable---- but for it to be true it has to be completely true---
Why?
If I said there are 10 oranges in a box, flashed you the box quickly, so that you couldn't count them, would you deny there were any oranges in the box because you couldn't determine that there were ten?
Scientific theories are held to be tentative, all of them, that means they are subject to change when new data comes along. The theory of evolution, even macroevolution, is supported by so much evidence it is unlikely that there will be a paradigm revision. Details, even large parts will almost certainly change, however, & common descent is unlikely to be one of those parts.
and i still have many significant problems with evolution. I will soon start a thread on my questions.
I'll be glad to help.
Mark

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Message 162 of 305 (63526)
10-30-2003 9:25 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by PeriferaliiFocust
10-30-2003 5:51 PM


navajoeverclear,
Mark-- i made my post short so my ideas aren't clear. It would depend on your definition of evolution, which is basically every part of the theory scientists accept, which i think are some parts they are ignorantly confident in. I admitted that there are parts of the evolutionary theory i would agree with, others do not seem to have as solid of a basis. I also admit i am not an expert on evolution, but i have asked my questions (which i will specifically address on another thread) a few times before and not gotten suffient answers.
Please do ask those questions!
Mark

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mark24
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Message 214 of 305 (66542)
11-14-2003 7:15 PM
Reply to: Message 204 by DavidPryor
11-13-2003 6:40 PM


DavidPryor,
A bird that was a mammal? Well, with you wielding such a mighty taxonomic sword as that, I'm bowing out....
Or might I suggest you reinvestigate your source to see what it actually says?
Mark

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Message 227 of 305 (79728)
01-21-2004 4:55 AM
Reply to: Message 224 by johnfolton
01-20-2004 11:26 PM


Re:
Whatever,
Why does every paragrapgh you write end with "etc..."? Can't you be bothered to finish them off?
Mark
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Message 266 of 305 (79996)
01-22-2004 5:11 AM
Reply to: Message 265 by johnfolton
01-22-2004 4:10 AM


Whatever,
This drives me mad, why do ALL of your paragraphs end with "etc..."? It makes me feel like you can't be bothered to complete a post.
Mark

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