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Tangle Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
He's a despicable toerag - at best.
He's the general that took his troops into battle and then deserted before the first shot was fired. Then there's the slimeball Gove who flatly denied wanting the job and even not being capable of it - 5 times, once a couple of weeks ago. There are lots of other folk, including in the cabinet, who could easily be prime minister. I’m not one of them. I could not be prime minister. I’m not equipped to be prime minister. I don’t want to be prime minister. October 2012 Barring a miracle, we're fucked.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
caffeine writes:
You're the one who used the word. I'm suggesting that the time to get out is when the dictator shows up. You seem to be saying we should only get out if the dictator is really bad at it.
'Dictatoial attitude' in this context meaning what?
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Tangle writes:
You may be right about Boris Johnson specifically but your analogy does't work. The politician who leads a nation into war is seldom the best general to win the war.
He's the general that took his troops into battle and then deserted before the first shot was fired.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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He's the general that took his troops into battle and then deserted before the first shot was fired. Then there's the slimeball Gove who flatly denied wanting the job and even not being capable of it - 5 times, once a couple of weeks ago. Looks like the name they are passing around now is Theresa May. No idea who that is. Mind you, I am an ignorant American. BBC is now saying it could be a five way race: Michael Gove and Theresa May head five-way Conservative race - BBC News
quote: I say to whomever is running: the easiest way to clinch this is to make hats that say 'Make the UK Great Again' and promise to rebuild Hadrian's Wall. Just remember: the wall has to be UUUUGE!!
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
As another ignorant person on UK politics, I tried to find out what Theresa's policies on science would be.
Couldn't find much information anywhere except for a few reports on her wanting to send foreign students back to where they came from immediately after graduating. This would include some of the top student scientists in the world being sent away immediately after obtaining that paper officially declaring them to be 'scientists'. Not a good policy for the UK. Also not a good policy for those students as the research facilities in their home countries are not always up to standard. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
She's not anti-science or scientist - or anti-student. But we did have a problem with foreign 'students' coming here to 'study' at fake universities and never going home. She had to tighten up on that. It's just a visa thing really.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Tangle writes: Then tighten up on fake universities. Not students. She's not anti-science or scientist - or anti-student. But we did have a problem with foreign 'students' coming here to 'study' at fake universities and never going home. She had to tighten up on that. It's just a visa thing really. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Pressie writes: Then tighten up on fake universities. She did.
Not students. She didn't tighten up on students - other than the fake ones, but she is trying to enforce student visas. They're allowed here to study here on a visa, once their student days are over, they're supposed to go home. A lot weren't doing that. If they want to stay they need another visa - it's fair enough and no different from anywhere else.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Tangle writes: Not really. Fake universities are still operating all over the UK. With their fake students, too.
She did.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
pressie writes: Not really. Fake universities are still operating all over the UK. With their fake students, too. I'm sure there are.Similarly having laws, courts, prisons and a police force hasn't totally stopped crime. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1053 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
You're the one who used the word. I'm suggesting that the time to get out is when the dictator shows up. You seem to be saying we should only get out if the dictator is really bad at it. I used the word dictatorial to point out that the European Commission isn't. 'Not a dictator' is not the same thing as 'unsuccessful wannabe dictator'.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Sorry, Tangle. I got a bit carried away. I'm not doubting you. I don't know much about British politics.
My experience with the UK system is that my wife got her PhD in Inorganic Chemistry (specialising in some funny mineral containing REE's) from a well-known British Uni and had to leave the UK the day after the graduating ceremony...It worked out very well for us, though. For most of her fellow 'students' getting PhD's in the natural sciences at the same ceremony (granted, they were only 9), it didn't work out very well, though. Research funding and lab equipment and everything associated with that not available... Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
S'ok.
Studying here doesn't give you rights to remain after - that's always been the case, it's just that it's only fairly recently begun being really enforced. I suspect it's the same in most countries. If an EU citizen comes here to study, they can stay as long as they like of course - but that too will now change. A bigger threat to universities from Brexit is the European grants which will no longer be available. Europe funds a very large amount of research in the UK.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Tangle writes: My wife got her PhD there in 1989. From Exeter University. She had to leave the next day. Studying here doesn't give you rights to remain after - that's always been the case, it's just that it's only fairly recently begun being really enforced. So, it's not so recently. I think that it's bad for the UK and the rest of the world. Luckily for her she had an SA passport where mining companies could provide funding and labs and wonderful equipment to carry on with research. It would have been so much better for the UK and her to have been allowed to keep on studying those minerals containing REE's from Cornwall where those strange minerals are found. In the UK. Have you ever seen the faces of customs officers and the inside of police cells around cargo at Heathrow or at OR Tambo going mad about those tons of radioactive rocks being exported or imported? My wife did. Nowadays the Chinese Government officials through Chinese companies control those REE's. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Pressie writes: So, it's not so recently. It pretty much always been so. But it's only recently that we've been doing anything about those that overstayed their visas. We had no way of 'counting them in and counting them out'. You need a visa to study here and a visa to work here - it'll be the same in SA I guess? It is in most countries.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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