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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
jar writes: When an organization creates procedures do you think that somehow that organization, that voluntary association, is somehow wrong for following its own rules and procedures? Yes, the mafia was wrong to follow its own rules.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
jar writes: We are not talking about the mafia but rather the US Republican party within its own state primary procedures. Look it wasn't me who put those two entities in the same sentence. You did that all by yourself.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
Trump has appeal to the lowest dregs of the Republican right, which turns out to be quite a larger share of the Republican base than anyone expected, while his bombast, posturing and inflammatory rhetoric have generated the attention of the national news media as a surrogate for paid Ads. Yes but what are the alternatives? Cruz is a Bush operative (that would make a fourth term for the Bushes) and for the democrats you have Clinton who is totally fake. Sanders is a ringer for Clinton. You notice how even though he keeps winning he is happy for Clinton to take all of his delegates.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
Tanypteryx writes: Wow, I can't believe I didn't see it all before this. Ok I get it, I get it. You guys have been watching the same alternative media that I have but you want to conceal this fact by constantly claiming otherwise and repeatedly asking me what my sources are.
anglagard writes: How uninformed can one be? You must get all your information from Fox News. Sanders supports single-payer health care, Clinton, wallowing in all those donations from big pharma and other parasites involved in the process, does not. Sanders supports a $15 minimum wage, Clinton reluctantly supports $12, a promise likely unkept after the Walton family reminds her of who is the master and who is the slave. Sanders supports free college tuition, Clinton does not. Wow, you really have got bogged down in detail, haven't you. Are you trying to look intelligent by focusing on policy? Big mistake. Sanders will soon be 75 years old. By the time he finishes a term in office he will be 79 or 80 years old. Who knows alzheimers might have kicked in by then. I suppose it's not impossible for him to serve but he probably just wants to retire with a blanket over his legs. More importantly, why would anyone care about policy when we are fast learning that the election is so rigged. The cabal can just go ahead with any policy they want.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes: Trump picked up 105 pledged delegates leaving him 287 short of first ballot nomination with 502 pledged delegates yet to be selected in the remaining primaries. His present capture rate still leaves him just short of a first ballot victory, though California and New Jersey could push him to the magic number. However, with all the machinations going on to siphon off would-be Trump delegates, expect Trump to go to Cleveland with 1190-1210 pledged delegates. Trump has already been robbed of about 100 delegates (that's a conservative estimate). What's more interesting though is how the delegates in the voterless states like Colorado and Wyoming always went to Cruz. Why wouldn't some of those delegates go to Trump. Oh yes that's right because when one delegate was going to vote for Trump, he was fired.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes: Cruz got the delegates because he had a ground game that got his supporters to the caucuses where the delegates were chosen. Trump did not. Everyone knew the rules for delegate selection last year. Trump ignored them. You don't pay attention to the rules, you don't get the prize. So what you are saying is that Cruz laid on a mini-bus with refreshments to get his supporters to the caucuses whereas Trump's supporters, who had to make their own way, got lost and their satnav systems all spectacularly and collectively failed on the same day?
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes: Caucuses and the ground organization are true grassroots politics at its democratic best. You talk up your neighbors and friends, even going door-to-door to meet and greet. Then you invite like supporters over to your house for a Saturday afternoon BBQ and talk about the candidates and the issues. Figure out who can go to the caucus next Tuesday night, how y’all can get there, plan meeting at Olive Garden for dinner before then let’s go out for a beer after. This is done in every neighborhood in the precinct. On caucus night, if you’re really good, you have 30-40 people attend. You discuss the candidates and the issues and you pass some resolutions then you select which 5 of you are going to go as your representatives to the district caucus. Since your organization was more better than the other guys you have more votes at this little precinct caucus and your 5 people get selected to go to district. Then you go drink beer. So if I was a Bernie supporter, you would want me to go and knock on doors when I have 3 kids to babysit. I then have to invite a bunch of people over to my house and offer them canaps which I haven't even prepared. From the group, some Hillary plants posing for Bernie bully and cajole their way into voting on my behalf. Before the vote they still have the chance to get rid of any genuine Bernie fans. Perhaps they could give them the wrong address, get them drunk or just dump them on the sidewalk. The survivors who actually arrive at this mysterious caucus location have been screened and are all bona fide Hillary supporters. So my Bernie vote is thus ignored hmmm great system.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
Pressie writes: The correct English. If I were I am from England where we speak English not American. And you are wrong - because you can use either. The fact you don't know that suggests it might be you who is the South American bandit. An interesting way to divert attention away from the rigged system.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
I was wondering when you would poke your nose in.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
Tanypteryx writes: How do you expect us to have meaningful discussions with Big Al after this? I've yet to have a meaningful discussion on here.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes: If you were any candidate’s supporter I wouldn’t want you anywhere near the campaign because you are a trolling dunderhead who would piss everyone off with your insults and conspiracy tripe and lose us the good people that would otherwise support us. Did I touch a nerve? You sound like one of the Caucus coercers that I mention in an earlier post. Link -->
Clinton Condemns Alleged Coercion of Caucusgoers - CBS News
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
Delegate results - 1,237 needed for nomination
Trump on 1047 Cruz on 565 Kasich on 153 with 520 delegates still available. Despite Trump getting the highest voting percentages ever recorded he still doesn't even have as many votes as George W Bush. Nor is he sure to reach the 1237 target. Why is that? Ahhh yes voterless victories for Cruz.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
Tanypteryx writes: You're right, Trump is unique.....we have never had this big a slimeball in the presidential finals before. Or someone as uniquely unknowledgeable of presidential responsibilities. Someone unknowledgeable is exactly what you need. The people in the know are the problem. They know too much - and it ain't pretty.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
Dr Adequate writes: Such as his support for torture, war crimes, and increased military spending? Sounds pretty neo-con to me. I think most people on this forum are pretty establishment. For example you guys believe in science, evolution, and the big bang. You believe those things because they are sensible, factual and logical. In fact anyone who doesn't share those opinions is almost declared a whacko nut-job. On the other hand you also believe that Trump is dumb, racist and full of bluster. A viewpoint shared by the dinosaur media. I too have massive issues with Trump but if the establishment is against Trump then there is a chance that he might be anti neo-con.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
jar writes: Not dumb. But a racist, misogynist, full of shit, dishonest, cruel, ignorant (which is different than being dumb) and a potential despot, yes. racist - ok he wants to build a wall and impose a ban I'll give you that onemisogynist - hardly he surrounds himself with women full of shit - your opinion dishonest - all politicians are liars cruel - he hasn't started any wars that I know of ignorant - at least he doesn't know all the gory details of the Bushes and the Clintons but he does know some of it
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