Why we should not expect many if any Creationists

I find it amazing that there have been any Creationists at EvC for at least a decade and honestly there is no longer any reason to expect Creationists to come here.The issue is settled.Young Earth is dead; it has been totally and completely refuted.Old Earth Creationism is simply unsupportable and has been for many decades.Creationists know this. That is why the trend in "Biblical Christianity" and the Christian Cult of Ignorance has been separation, avoidance and isolation for over a quarter century now,They have their own school systems, their own colleges, their own accreditation boards, their own TV and radio stations and networks, their own browsers that filter out any ideas that might disagree with their own propaganda.The product they try to market simply cannot compete in the world of reality and ideas.If EvC is to continue it will likely need to change its focus to some other area where there are still open and not yet settled questions.

People blow stuff up for lots of reasons other than religion.They're rioting in Africa / They're starving in Spain / There's hurricanes in Florida and Texas needs rain / The whole world is festering with unhappy soulsEdited by jar, : hit wrong key

And that is the answer.Creationism is a belief that cannot stand examination and that is exactly what drives the avoidance syndrome.

It's not the internet that's changed but rather the population. There is nothing inherent in Social Media that would prevent discussions, instead it is the people themselves who simply don't discuss and debate. It seems to be a willful craving for confirmation bias most evident in the "Selfie".

The whole characteristic of "Social Media" is simply a reflection of what the people want.It is just more evidence in support of my point.Social Media is just another avoidance mechanism; a way to avoid anything you wish to hide from, like reality.

But isn't that just a reflection of the whole culture; twitter instead of email instead of written letters...what is happening now...GoPro...selfies...apps to show you where your friends are...likes...

But EvC is just a very small part of the Avoidance syndrome; as I mentioned above they have their own TV and radio networks, browsers that filter web searches to protect the young, their own primary and secondary and even colleges with their own accreditation boards, their own Science Museums and "Science forums" and "Science Teachers" and actively shield the kids as much as possible from evil or liberal or progressive influences.But the rest as you point out is also the case. They send the kids in with glowing eyes and a stack of Chick Tracts and really think those cartoons represent truth and reality.It's sad.The basic problem is of course that the Creationists position really is impossible to defend.Reality is a bitch.

That is just yet another example of the avoidance system. If you look at the curriculum of the avoidance schools, listen to the avoidance TV and radio networks, attend the presentations at the avoidance churches, read the avoidance textbooks they are still there and even more active. (well except for those like Henry that have gone on to GLORY)The pattern is similar with one glaring exception; they declared victory and simply ban or censor any attempts at discussion instead of allowing and even encouraging alternative views. Where EvC might bemoan the lack of Creationist participation they actively avoid any Evilution threats.

No one doubts or even cares if you believe that the Bible is a historical truth. You are of course perfectly free to hold that belief.However pointing out that that belief is simply false and not even supported by what is actually written in the bible stories or that there really isn't even such a thing as "The Bible " or even some universally accepted list of what books make up the Bible is not disrespecting your beliefs but simply fact and reality.The Bible, even in the few places and areas where it mentions things that really are historical (Jerusalem did exist, there really was a diaspora) those things are contained in folktales and fables.The fact is, Faith, (and it is every bit as factually valid as your beliefs) is that your God like all gods and this universe itself will continue to exist only until Brahma awakes. Your God will grow and change and evolve as shown in the Bible stories but once Brahma awakes all this dream will cease to exist until Brahma once again falls asleep and dreams anew.

The point Faith is that there is no disrespect shown to your strongly held beliefs but rather only a presentation of the actual evidence that contradicts and refutes even the traditional position of what you consider as historical Christianity.Remember, the validity of the beliefs and actual beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church are the traditional position of historical Christianity, and in fact is the historical Christianity.

If case you had not noticed Faith, I was actually the person that started this thread and your posts are great support for my contentions. The topic is "Why we should not expect many if any Creationists" and that can be extended to explain why we should not expect to see many if any so called "Biblical" or "True" Christians and that post is a great example of why those assertions are true.You, and many others, honestly believe your beliefs should be acknowledged as more than just beliefs even when confronted with actual facts.Science on the other hand demands a certain level of honesty AND doubt as well as a willingness to be shown that a position or belief no matter how strongly held, is wrong.This is a site devoted to debating. That means when you post here, even your most strongly held beliefs are open to challenge and critical analysis.It is no more disrespectful to challenge others beliefs than it is to challenge whether or not there was some world-wide flood during the time humans have existed.But such challenges should be supported by reasoning, facts, examples, evidence or logic.It is that basic challenge, the idea that strongly held beliefs should not just be challenged but rather continuously challenged on one side and the idea that strongly held beliefs should be accepted as factual and NOT challenged that creates the conflict and tension between the two groups.But today, particularly today, the means to gather data and present challenges is greater than at any time in the past and the basic democracy of open communications makes it increasing difficult to keep ones strongly held beliefs from being challenged.Thus, the avoidance movement, the retreat from challenge and the lack of both Creationist and Biblical Christian participation at sites like this.Your right to hold such beliefs is secure but there is no right to not have those beliefs challenged.Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

Learn to read Dawn, I used the term Creationists not Creation.

Well, no, it is not. It simply shows that Creationists claim a particular scenario.But it is pretty clear that any descriptions of creation found in the Bible are simply creations of the imagination and not science.But the fact remains, we see fewer and fewer Creationists and that is as expected.

Dawn, that is not the topic of this thread. If you would like to discuss that please start a new topic at Proposed New Topics.