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Theodoric
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Message 29 of 87 (776066)
01-08-2016 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by LamarkNewAge
01-07-2016 11:18 PM


Re: Had a feeling Hillary would be ridiculed.
Stephen Bassett? Really? Have you listened to the guy? He is a crank with little to no expertise.
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Who is Stephen Bassett?
In 1995 Bassett decided to bring a 15-year background in business development and consulting and a degree in physics into the issues surrounding extraterrestrial-related phenomena. His point of entry was a four-month stint working at the Program for Extraordinary Experience Research (PEER), founded by the late Dr. John Mack in Cambridge, MA
He has no problem consorting with known charlatans.
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Bassett wants so much to bring the issue of ET Disclosure in front of the public that he appears willing to do anything at all to further his cause. At an appearance on The Paracast he was asked by David & Gene why he gave credence to known charlatans. He stated that it didn’t matter if the people who took the stage were credible or not. All that mattered was to get the idea before the public.
He said, The problem is not about our opinions about who is a laughingstock. It’s all about the government. Don’t worry about the individual aspects of people in the field. I don’t care about your background. Credibility is not an issue in the Disclosure process. I just don’t care. It’s not my concern and I’m not in a position to sort it out. I don’t give a damn.
So we know he doesn't give a damn about the science or evidence. How? He says so.
http://www.ufoandalientruthnetwork.com/...ure-project-hoax-2
Edgar Mitchell
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Mitchell claims that a teenage remote healer who lives in Vancouver and uses the pseudonym Adam Dreamhealer helped him heal kidney cancer from a distance. Mitchell said that while he never had a biopsy, "I had a sonogram and MRI that was consistent with renal carcinoma." Adam worked (distantly) on Mitchell from December 2003 until June 2004, when the "irregularity was gone and we haven't seen it since"
Seems he will believe anything.
Edgar Mitchell - Wikipedia
And of course he has no evidence. Evidence is kind of important.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/...believers/#.Vo_D5lmeBPY
Mr Hellyer.
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In an interview with RT (formerly Russia Today) in 2014, Hellyer said that at least four species of aliens have been visiting Earth for thousands of years, with most of them coming from other star systems, although there are some living on Venus, Mars and Saturn’s moon. According to him, they "don't think we are good stewards of our planet."
'nuff said
Former Canadian defence minister Paul Hellyer says aliens will help humans if we stop wars
Robert Salas has been totally debunked.
Did It Really Happen?: Did UFOs Disable Minuteman Missiles at Malmstrom AFB in 1967?
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That leaves us with the question of what to make of Salas. Given that his account of Malmstrom has been debunked, we are are left with only two possibilities. Carlson and others believe Salas has been lying since the beginning, and I concede that this is a possibility. But there is a second possibility: that Salas honestly believes the story he is now telling because he has confabulated events (his confusion caused in part by the hypnosis he underwent in the 1990s), and possibly because he is suffering from some sort of psychological issues.
Does the "alien abduction" account that he relates above provide further evidence for the psychological angle and the conclusion that Salas, whilst honest, is confused. Or does it indicate that Salas is doubling down on his original story by expanding the lie and looking for a new angle to gin up the audience (a pattern that could be seen with many of the Contactees in the 1950s, for example, or Billy Meier). If I had to choose between the two, Occam's Razor tells me that even though my default position is to believe the best about people, Carlson et al are correct, and Salas is just another genial huckster in a long line of hucksters who present ever-changing stories. But I don't think the alternate possibility can be ruled out, even if it is perhaps less and less likely as his story grows more convoluted.
The Other Side of Truth: The Strange Case of Robert Salas
So there is the cast of nutballs and charlatans involved in this. I am sure these guys have the secret truth that eludes everyone else

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 32 of 87 (776075)
01-08-2016 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by LamarkNewAge
01-08-2016 9:47 AM


Re: What is your problem with John Mack(rip)?
Whether he is dead or not has no bearing on anything.
Also, John Mack has no bearing on your post at all as Bassett was only associated to him for 4 months. To use that short period of time as to give Bassett some mantle of credibility is ludicrous and disingenuous. We have no idea what Mack felt about Barrett. That Barrett was involved with him for so short of time does not say a thing.
Mack himself did not believe in the actual physical reality of aliens. He felt alien abductions and visitations were transcendental, spiritual encounters akin to a vision quest. All in all he took aliens and turned them into psychobabble woo.
So using John Mack as an expert does nothing for anyone's contention that there are aliens visiting the earth.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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