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Coyote Member (Idle past 2135 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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By "white" do you mean "Caucasian," or do you have some other definition in mind?
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2135 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Whites are called Caucasian. Ummm, no. This may come as a surprise to you, but not all Caucasians are white. I had a graduate school class in Human Races a while back, and under the original three-part classification, North Africa and the Middle East, extending through almost all of India, were classified as Caucasians. The people in some of those areas are far from "white" although they were classified as Caucasians. Incidentally, not all those with black skin are Africans either. Its a very complex and interesting subject, of which you might learn something.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2135 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Obviously the OP is using the common idea that we encounter all the time on official forms to identify our "race" and on those forms "white" is usually designated "Caucasian." That's how we all understand it and there's no need for all this sciencey pedantry, it just confuses things. Sorry if facts confuse you, but some folks have actually researched these topics and know a little about them. The OP was conflating two separate things because "white" is not the same as Caucasian. White is a skin color, while Caucasian is a racial classification developed mainly by anthropologists over 100 years ago. The two are not the same, as I pointed out there are many Caucasians who are not "white." And "white" is a problematic term anyway. Like most classical racial traits, skin color is found in clines ranging from very light to very dark, with some interesting variants (such as Bushmen). Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2135 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
If you want to be a bit more accurate, use "European," one of nine racial classifications developed by Stanley Garn.
Stanley Marion Garn - Wikipedia Or if you want to be more specific, Garn further subdivided those nine into 34 subgroups. It's all just a game. You can make as many or as few groups as you like, depending on the traits you select and how you weight them, and it still means nothing. Making more groups and you're just slicing the baloney thinner. Edited by Coyote, : GrammarReligious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2135 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
I'm sure all that is true but as far as this thread goes it just adds to the confusion. GIA started the confusion by making the "white race" into a genetic group, attributing the cultural achievements of Europeans (which is what I suppose he means) to genetics when it's got nothing to do with racial genetics anyway. I think you're correct. His "white" is probably equivalent to Europeans as defined by anthropologist Stanley Garn.
You can talk about the achievements of western civilization but that isn't about race. And of course I attribute those achievements to the Christian religion, at least the Christian religion since the Reformation. But GIA hates Christianity so he's got his head tied in a knot about the whole subject in my opinion. True, it isn't about race. Not true about Christianity. The beginnings of western culture were in Greece, hundreds of years before Christianity. It can also be argued that Christianity helped bring about the Dark Ages. And, it is little known that the Arab world was the center of science and culture for quite a period while Europe was in the Dark Ages. This period lasted until fundamentalism took over there. That was about the same time the Renaissance was beginning in Europe, and the Renaissance was based in large part on documents preserved in the Arab/Persian world (such as the writings of Aristotle) or created in there and then translated into Latin and other European languages. This preserved knowledge was a major impetus for the Renaissance.
But if you stick to the simple common meaning of "white race" as we casually -- and officially -- use the term, he's right that "whites" are declining in numbers and as I said in another post I think that's due to the big scare about overpopulation that got the more highly educated and non-Catholic "whites" to be good citizens and cut down on their own population. True, but it is not a matter of race. It is a matter of culture. In much of the western world increasing prosperity and the vastly increased percentage of people in cities vs. on the farm doing subsistence agriculture led to a decline in the number of children. Russia is seeing similar reductions in the birth rate, but there may be other causes at work there.
Which does happen to mean reducing the cultural influences that built western civilization too because it just so happens they are linked. So Reformation Christianity is dying out however you look at it, and other "races" or cultures are growing in influence. Not for the good of anything in my opinion of course. Multiculturalism is diluting western civilization in part because incoming groups are not assimilated as quickly as they once were. But the issue is much larger than that, as our country is increasingly seeing Balkanization of people and groups who were born here. Inner cities are one example. Decades ago young people typically were drafted into the Army and were both shown the world and exposed to other ways of life in this country--a major socialization factor. That socialization is no longer present.
Not that you'll accept my interpretation of any of this either but oh well. I don't reject your interpretations out of hand--only when they lack logic, facts, and/or common sense. Otherwise, I agree with you completely. For example, I agree completely on this -- Merry Christmas!Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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