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Author | Topic: Should countries outlaw the hijab, niqab and burka? | |||||||||||||||||||
Greatest I am Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Bliyaal
"You've been told many times that we already have laws for that." We have laws against everything but yet much evil continues. As to your last. "You want to be the slaver". No argument. We all have what Jung and Freud called the Father complex which makes all of us want to be top dog. That Complex is strong in me. I think it is the strongest in the most moral and the most corrupt. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Bliyaal
"And I guess you view yourself as the most moral since intolerance is moral in your mind." I believe in a political system that the world has yet to form. Socrates would call it a Timocratic system. It is basically a system run by duty and honor while at the same time being quite intolerant and in fact quite tyrannical in the case of those who break the law. So yes, intolerance is a quality in many cases as it means, in this one, that I will not tolerate an immoral religion and ideology like Islam and Sharia to come into my country if I can help it. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
AZPaul3
What is devout about wearing a particular head and face covering? Nowhere in the Muslim holy books is it said to be a sign of being devout in the wearing of such garb. Why would you advocate one-upmanship for Muslim women against other nwomen who do not see anything devout in such garb? RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
ringo
An oppressed woman would likely not agree. One chain at a time. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Modulous
"How does not wearing a hijab ensure my freedom?" It does not but if we ignore all signs of oppression then who will be left to save our sorry asses when oppressors come for us who say we are free but will not do what is required to insure that all share the freedom we say we have? That is you first duty as a free person. Do it. "First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." — Pastor Father Niemoller (1946) RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Modulous
Voluntary is the key word. We are all subject to governments, not to misogynous Muslim men. You have given nothing to help forced women. Quite easy to say what you do not like what I propose but quite harder to suggest what might free those who are oppressed. You are not hurting me at all but are hurting women who are oppressed. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Hyroglyphx
I see it as doing more good for the majority than harm to the oppressed as I see the majority not wanting to be forced to wear what they do not want to wear. If and when law makers look at such a ban, statistics will play a major role and so far, my side looks good. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
AZPaul3
You shop that you have not done your own research. Quite lazy of you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7IrvkhUb3Y RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Modulous
I said.Voluntary is the key word. You replied.Yes it is. And you want to restrict voluntary action, which is the opposite of freedom. ---------- Are you serious? Every law we have are designed to restrict voluntary actions are they not? RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Bliyaal
You ignore what I put and use an extreme form of what I put to make your case. Nice honesty that. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
ringo
You ignored my use of the word oppressed. You are the one who should feel shame. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Bliyaal
I am talking of the protection from oppression of a minority of Muslim women in our countries. Exactly what you say your constitution was created to do. What are you talking about? RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Modulous
Our ideology does not believe in slavery and to allow what is basically a slave mentality and the display of ones subjugation to exist in our free land should not be allowed. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
"but you keep forgetting it like you keep forgetting that most choose to wear the hijab freely."
Un-evidenced. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Tangle
Well phrased my friend but to say, --- that the numbers affected by it in our countries is too small to matter, --- is like saying that just a bit of slavery in our country is too small to matter. I do not like the idea of having to ban anything in a free world but as you have noted, other countries have taken that step to insure that the freedom men enjoy, women can also enjoy. That is the first duty of all free people. If only some of us are free, then none of us are. RegardsdL
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