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Topic: Gun Control Again
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.1
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Message 3204 of 5179 (745885)
12-28-2014 5:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 3202 by Faith
12-28-2014 4:23 PM
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Re: safe use
What would Jesus do Faith? Would he own a gun do you think?
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.1
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Message 3213 of 5179 (745991)
12-31-2014 3:11 AM
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Reply to: Message 3210 by Percy
12-30-2014 8:27 PM
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Re: News Break
When will you get it Percy? Guns don't kill people, toddlers kill people. If that mum had had another gun, she could have shot her child before the child shot her. What we need is more guns not less.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.1
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Message 3222 of 5179 (746051)
01-01-2015 8:30 AM
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Nothing to say now?
Football chant when the your side scores "It's all all gone quiet over there Oh there's no fucking riot over there It's all gone quiet, there's no fucking riot, It's all gone quiet over there! And it's all 'cos you've lost you're song."
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.1
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Re: Slovene Home Guard
Petro, This is an international discussion board. People outside the US also have opinions - are you afraid to hear them?
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.1
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Message 3410 of 5179 (759551)
06-13-2015 2:45 AM
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Reply to: Message 3409 by Faith
06-13-2015 2:22 AM
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Re: Silly gun-happy America
Faith writes: I'd also point out the fact that is so conveniently discounted, that some Brits and Australians rue the day they gave up their guns because of the enormous increase in crime they've suffered since. Oh but I suppose that didn't really happen, right? Utter crap, crime has fallen by 66% since the mid 90s - as it has in all of the developed world. It's also total bullshit - not to say an outright lie - that Brits and Australians rue anything at all about giving up guns. We're extemely proud of it and grateful for the increased security it has given us.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.1
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Message 3414 of 5179 (759558)
06-13-2015 3:12 AM
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Reply to: Message 3411 by Faith
06-13-2015 2:52 AM
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Re: Silly gun-happy America
Faith writes: Funny how liberals simply have no awareness of the conservatives among them, the ones with the sense of reality who DO rue the day. Utter crap. You know that even our police patrol unarmed except in special circumstances and always have done? There is absolutely no public demand for privately held arms. Any 'conservative' saying such a thing would be laughed at. It's beyond impossible. Of course, you'll have plenty of evidence of your assertions - that is beyond googling desperately for a quote from a nutjob.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.1
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Message 3782 of 5179 (765733)
08-05-2015 8:37 AM
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Reply to: Message 3781 by jar
08-05-2015 8:25 AM
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Jar writes: Don't you mean that handguns do not serve a useful purpose that YOU see? They obviously have a useful purpose when regulated and controlled properly. The issue seems to be that guns are not regulated and controlled in a sensible way in the USA. This is a view held by your president and the rest of the developed world. The fact that it isn't obvious to you and the NRA is impressive.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.1
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Message 3791 of 5179 (765744)
08-05-2015 1:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 3783 by jar
08-05-2015 8:58 AM
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Jar writes: I have said repeatedly that the issue is a matter of misuse, of a lack of education and a disrespect for regulations in the US. Jar, whilst there is a right to keep and bear arms, there is no adequate regulation and control of guns in the USA. The inconsistent rules limiting that right are merely a side salad, regularly discarded. To make any sensible change, that amendment needs amending.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.1
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Jar writes: Thanks for admitting that you'd prefer to just deny me one of my rights. Admission? Interesting and revealing choice of words. It seems that you believe that the rights that you are currently enjoying cannot be challenged and to do so is somehow an automatic failure of morality. It suggests that things that have been written down a long time ago for a particular purpose and in a particular context cannot be challenged. I wonder where I've heard that sort of idea before?
I reject your offer. It's not about you. It's about your guns.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.1
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Cat Sci writes: It identifies our "natural rights" as people. "God given" some may say (I know you wouldn't). The concept that your right to own a gun is god given is totally fatuous. The 2nd amendment is not sacrosanct, it's man made. You currently have the right because your society has allowed it - no other reason. Other societies have decided that gun ownership is harmful to their citizens and have controlled them. The USA is alone in its denial of the harm that they are doing despite the daily events that prove it.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Cat Sci writes: Uh, the concept of natural rights goes all the way back to the Age of Enlightenment. Their distinction from legal rights is nothing new. If you don't think that people have any natural rights, and that the only rights you have are legal ones, then that's fine. That's not how the U.S. sees it, though. Utter garbage. There is no natural right to own a gun.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Message 3853 of 5179 (765856)
08-07-2015 4:12 AM
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Reply to: Message 3841 by Jon
08-06-2015 7:58 PM
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Jon writes: The relevant text of the Amendment is: the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.The meaning is pretty obvious: the right ... to keep and bear Arms is regarded by the Second Amendment as a pre-existing right (it certainly isn't enumerated anywhere else, so the Amendment cannot be referring to some other portion of the document) upon which the government is forbidden to infringe. The Second Amendment does not grant a right to anybody; it instead restricts the government's authority to remove a right considered natural to the human condition: the right to defend oneself and be armed in a manner that makes such defense possible. The Second Amendment applies to the government not to the people. So it certainly cannot have the meaning you think it does. The pseudo-intellectualised, linguistically masturbatory lengths you guys go to to defend an obvious wrong is remarkable. Step back. These are the writings of men, not gods. There is no god given right, natural or otherwise, to own a gun. Or a knife, or a cannon. People make and change laws to suit the needs of the societies they inhabit and none are sacrosanct. Your obsession with guns is harming your society but you can change that if you have the will. If you'd prefer to keep your guns despite the harm they do, that's your decision, but for God's sake stop trying to defend it with bullshit philosophy.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.1
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Message 3864 of 5179 (765877)
08-07-2015 11:18 AM
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Reply to: Message 3854 by Jon
08-07-2015 7:28 AM
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Jon writes: You miss the point just like NoNukes did. You hopelessly rebut the crappier argument you wish were being made while ignoring the argument that actually has been made. We've not missed the point. The point you are making is obvious and obviously wrong. The texts you quote are man made. They can be changed if there is an agreed need for society to change them. There is no natural right to own a gun.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Message 3963 of 5179 (766018)
08-10-2015 3:21 AM
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The Will of the People
Leaving aside the literacy criticism of the constitution and various amendments. Suppose the American people came to their senses and decided to abolish this 'right' right to own guns, how would it be achieved? Do you guys ever have referendums? (Referenda?)
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.1
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Message 3996 of 5179 (766066)
08-11-2015 11:02 AM
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Reply to: Message 3995 by Bliyaal
08-11-2015 10:41 AM
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Funny how it has to be written on a piece of paper to be a natural right; God given or otherwise. It seems that a natural right is anything that we decide it shall be. In any case, it must mean that it's ok to own a small armoury. 'tis a weird world we live in.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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