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Author Topic:   Fracking and Quaking
caffeine
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Message 4 of 37 (755436)
04-08-2015 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jon
04-08-2015 12:46 AM


Is there really a connection between fracking and earthquakes? If so, what is it about Oklahoma's geology that makes the connection possible. As far as I am aware, other areas in the U.S. where the practice of fracking has grown have not seen increases in earthquake frequency.
Are environmentalists just putting up a fuss, or is there reason for real concern?
By odd coincidence, I just read an article about this today. The concern in Oklahoma is not with fracking - it says that in what you posted. The concern is with pumping left over wastewater back into the ground, and in Oklahoma this is produced mostly by normal drilling, not by fracking. The drills pull up about ten times as much water as oil in Oklahoma at the moment, the majority of which is pumped back into the ground.
The people kicking up a fuss include the US Geological Survey, so I don't think it's just whiny environmentalists.

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caffeine
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Message 10 of 37 (755458)
04-08-2015 2:59 PM
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04-08-2015 2:49 PM


Re: ND vs OK
This increase has not been seen in other states leading me to conclude there is something different about the way fracking occurs in Oklahoma, there is something different about Oklahoma geology, or fracking is not at all to blame for the increase in earthquakes.
As I just posted upthread, according to what I read today, the problem in Oklahoma is not with fracking, but with fluid injection of wastewater - of which more comes from traditional drilling than fracking. The oil still accessible in Oklahoma comes up mixed with about ten parts water for about one part oil. We now have technology to extract the oil economically, making Oklahoma's oilfields a going concern again where they hadn't been since the '90s, but all the waste water needs to be disposed of, which is done by pumping it back in to the earth. This, according to the USGS, is the cause of Oklahoma's earthquake boom.

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caffeine
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Message 12 of 37 (755464)
04-08-2015 3:38 PM
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04-08-2015 3:16 PM


Re: ND vs OK
So the method is somewhat different, at least in as much as it might concern the amount of wastewater involved?
Is there a reason the waste has to be shot back into the ground?
It would seem that if there were any concerns, the easiest solution would be to just toss the junk somewhere else. IS there nowhere else for it to go?
It can't be dumped in the water supply, as it's a long way from being clean. The idea of dumping it deep underground is to avoid it contaminating fresh water supplies. Purification technologies are exist, but they are expensive, and completely uneconomical without the amount of water we're talking about.
Please bear in mind that my 'expertise' on this matter is based on one afternoon's reading, so that's about the extent of my knowledge on the subject.

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