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Coragyps
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Message 15 of 79 (74548)
12-21-2003 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by johnfolton
12-21-2003 9:26 AM


Yes, punctuation. Please.
the bible talks of the fountains of the deep opening up and being fractured, all the scientific evidence in the natural of water over 7 miles deep into the earth,
Do you have any idea whatever, whatever, how hot water is that is seven miles down in Earth's rocks? Or any inkling of how amazingly absurd Walt Brown's "theory" is? That the "fountains of the deep" launched all the asteroids, but failed completely to boil Noah and his Big Boat? C'mon.....

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Message 16 of 79 (74549)
12-21-2003 10:57 AM
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12-21-2003 9:26 AM


the basalt rock that converted into sedimentary rock due to the tremendous heat,
Check your sources.....

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Message 28 of 79 (74601)
12-21-2003 7:27 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by johnfolton
12-21-2003 4:10 PM


you will find they are finding fractured rock and water 7 miles into the earth, with all the pressures and temps this shouldn't be,
And why shouldn't this be? The six-mile deep gas wells drilled in the Anadarko Basin of western Oklahoma in the 1970's found water and natural gas in those fractured sediments, just as the geologists hoped.... What would pressure or temperature have to do with whether water was there or not? I've worked in the petroleum business for a quarter-century now, and have yet to hear of a well, including 400-degree F ones, that didn't have water in its rock.
you should read up on Walt Browns hydroplate theory, etc...Its cutting edge, but its consistent with the evidence.
I have Brown's online book bookmarked on this computer, and have read a lot of it. The whole thing is a astonishing exercise in finding and deliberately misrepresenting real scientific papers to support a ludicrous bunch of myths.

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Message 32 of 79 (74611)
12-21-2003 8:53 PM
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12-21-2003 8:36 PM


Deep water is always liquid, except in a few geothermal areas like the Imperial Valley in California where it's very hot close to surface. And deep water is always found in the pores or fractures of rocks, except for a very few caves with open water inside. The deep Oklahoma wells produce from rocks that give up their gas and water with more reluctance than the concrete of your sidewalk would - and a liter of rock would hold less water than the concrete, too. Brown's babblings about water beneath Tibet fail to mention that the water may make up 1% of the rock volume, may well be chemically bound, and is at 800 F or hotter.
and where it was cooled in the vacuums of the upper atmosphere,
Giving up its heat to what, exactly? A vacuum? How does that work?
Are you a troll, whatever?

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Coragyps
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Message 38 of 79 (74662)
12-22-2003 9:56 AM
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12-22-2003 9:48 AM


think most asteroids likely consists of water,
No asteroids consist of water - asteroids are rocky or metallic. Comets are largely water, but it didn't come from Earth - the deuterium content is completely different.
And if asteroids had been launched from Earth, all of their orbits would intersect Earth's orbit, and we'd be getting hit by them all the time.
Brown is utterly full of crap - he makes all that nonsense up.

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Coragyps
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Message 43 of 79 (74688)
12-22-2003 4:13 PM
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12-22-2003 3:45 PM


Walt Brown hydroplate theory seems more viable(that they are floating),
With basalt at an average of 184 lb/cubic foot and granite at 165, how, exactly, does the former float on the latter? And, by the way, plate tectonics *depends* on the fact that the plates float on the mantle. Walt didn't think up anything new there.

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Message 45 of 79 (74690)
12-22-2003 4:24 PM
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12-22-2003 4:08 PM


and if the sun was 5 billion years old a star its core harmonics should be a whole lot deeper, and should be giving off a whole lot more neutrinoes,
Please, whatever, get some new sources of misinformation. Even Answers in Genesis has given up on "the Solar Neutrino Problem," seeing as how it was fully explained two or three years ago - there is no shortfall of neutrinos from the Sun. And, as Eta has told you, you are relying on outdated, incorrect data for your helioseismology.

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Message 52 of 79 (74718)
12-22-2003 7:38 PM


Whatever, I think I now see where you got your screen name. You just post whatever....
What does the Sun have to do with black holes? You are unaware, I suppose, that only stars of about eight times the Sun's mass end up as black holes? And that stars have to weigh quite a bit more than the sun to even end up as neutron stars? And that stars are powered by nuclear fusion? C'mon....

  
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Message 53 of 79 (74719)
12-22-2003 7:42 PM
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12-22-2003 6:34 PM


the theory goes that the basalt lava's also outpoured over the entire oceans floor, covering the entire ocean floor.
Boiling the oceans, adding even more heat than that contributed by all that 800-degree steam bursting forth. Can't you see how absurd all this is?

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Coragyps
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Message 57 of 79 (74838)
12-23-2003 9:25 AM
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12-23-2003 8:05 AM


you can not assume that just because they dated rocks on the moon to be 4.6 billion years old, that the sun has been a star this long,
Doesn't Genesis have the Sun and Moon both being created on the Fourth Day? Snelling would say so - heck, he's probably "proved" it!

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Message 58 of 79 (74842)
12-23-2003 9:53 AM
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12-23-2003 8:05 AM


whatever, try Home Page for starters - there are several other lines of evidence for the ages of ocean crust.

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Coragyps
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Message 64 of 79 (74999)
12-24-2003 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by johnfolton
12-23-2003 6:47 PM


think they only dated the sediments, not the solid basalt lava ocean floor, I'll have to call someone in the know, if they actually dated the ocean basalt floor,
And how, exactly, could the sediments on top of the basalt be older than the basalt itself? Do, please, let us know what you find out.

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Coragyps
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Message 69 of 79 (75102)
12-25-2003 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by johnfolton
12-25-2003 12:19 PM


Think what baffling scientists is not enough neutrinoes being found in coal mines, to support all the suns energy comes from these nuclear reactions,
But that isn't baffling anybody, as the reason for the low detection of neutrinos was settled about three years ago: they change "flavors" in the eight minutes they take to get from the Sun to here. Even the boys at Answers in Genesis have conceded that now - look up "neutrino" on their website.
The Russian study you keep referring to - if it's the one from the 1970's or so that I'll bet it is - has been shown to be in error by many more recent work. I'm sure Eta has a reference or two, or I'll go Googling after I eat some of this turkey.

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Coragyps
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Message 71 of 79 (75107)
12-25-2003 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Eta_Carinae
12-25-2003 12:52 PM


Re: Whatever - please read this:
Wow, Eta! No more had your name left my keyboard.....!

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