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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Seems the bridge(between Minnesota & S.Dakota) is indeed there. Good thing I prayed before finding out the hard way. Our arguments are often circular here at EvC. May as well sit back and enjoy the coffee rather than spilling it trying to prove a point. Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
In the first stage I not only lack belief in the bridge being there (or not being there), but I lack certainty about the condition of the bridge's existence, so I just don't know if the bridge is there or not. Certainty is not required before forming an opinion. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
In the first stage I not only lack belief in the bridge being there (or not being there), but I lack certainty about the condition of the bridge's existence, so I just don't know if the bridge is there or not. Certainty is not required before forming an opinion. Agreed, nothing prevents people from having whatever opinion they like ... ... but is that critical thinking or wishful thinking? Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Well then it's a damn good thing I never made such a claim. Perhaps that is why I clarified my observation. You know, the part you omitted from the quote ... So you are saying that you believe the bridge is there, but that you are likely wrong about the shape, color and construction style of the bridge ... which seems a bit nit-picky imho ... Does this help? Would you not agree that if you do not know if the bridge exists, that any discussion of shape, color or construction would be opinion unbased on evidence?
Learn to read. Curiously I see this statement to many replies here, and I suggest that perhaps the original statement was not clear ... Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : ..by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Jon Inactive Member |
Yeah; Big Stone is one of the few reliable crossing points.
Love your enemies!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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But what did I omit from the quote?
I have said all along that what one believes about a God is almost certainly wrong. I am saying that what we say about God or god is almost certainly wrong. I went on to clarify that by pointing out that so far all the gods or Gods we can test have been shown to be wrong. If that is not talking about aspects of gods or descriptions of gods I'm not at all sure how to make it clearer.
RAZD writes: So you are saying that you believe the bridge is there, but that you are likely wrong about the shape, color and construction style of the bridge ... which seems a bit nit-picky imho ... Perhaps it is nit-picky but it is what wars and oppression have often been based upon.
RAZD writes: Would you not agree that if you do not know if the bridge exists, that any discussion of shape, color or construction would be opinion unbased on evidence? Which is why if you look back I specifically pointed out the difference between the bridge analogy and the concept of a deity. I then went on to present the evidence that is available, the fact that every god that has been tested has been shown to be false. So my opinion that any God or god that we can describe beyond the very basics is likely wrong seems to be supported. Yet there are still killings in the name of some god, bigotry and oppression in the name of some god going on even in the US.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Are those really the only options?
Love your enemies!
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I have said all along that what one believes about a God is almost certainly wrong. I am saying that what we say about God or god is almost certainly wrong. I went on to clarify that by pointing out that so far all the gods or Gods we can test have been shown to be wrong. Your theory is only correct if God does not in some way interact with humanity. God is not merely some unknowable Being whom we "test" in regards to our reactions concerning said concept. God is alive.Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Your theory is only correct if God does not in some way interact with humanity. God is not merely some unknowable Being whom we "test" in regards to our reactions concerning said concept. God is alive. What does that even mean? AbE: What how is it even related to anything I said and you even quoted? How is your post evidence of critical thinking or was it meant as an example of not using critical thinking? Edited by TrueChristian, : see AbE:Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
He is if we think critically about Him.
God is not merely some unknowable Being whom we "test" in regards to our reactions concerning said concept.
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Perhaps when He smites some of us it is Him using critical thinking on us. Perhaps natural selection is similar to random smiting.
Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
When was the last time you saw someone smote by a supernatural being? I think reality is progressively slipping from your grasp.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
If God is omniscient, why would He need critical thinking?
Perhaps when He smites some of us it is Him using critical thinking on us. Phat writes:
I think most people here will agree that the smiting is pretty much random. True Christians™ seem to get smitten along with the rest of us. But of course that gives them a chance to play the martyr card.
Perhaps natural selection is similar to random smiting.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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ringo writes: True Christians seem to get smitten along with the rest of us. I remember getting smittened (smoted? ) once by this little red headed girl. I was smoted so hard I joined the Royal Ambassadors acause they said I'd get hands on experience of spiritual growth but she jess said "Hands off" and that my growth was far from spiritual. Edited by TrueChristian, : appalin spallinAnyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Agreed, nothing prevents people from having whatever opinion they like... ... but is that critical thinking or wishful thinking? Life requires that we act without complete information. When we are short of certainty, one logical approach is to access the probabilities and consequences for being right or wrong and to act even in the face of uncertainty. If critical thinking is in opposition to that thought process then critical thinking is useless. We form an opinion that man is an evolved primate and we teach such things to children without being 100 per cent certain. We plan to drive to work crossing that bridge tomorrow and we are not 100 per cent sure our car is going to start.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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