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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Is evidence the only prerequisite for belief?
Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: In most cases, yes. Belief is not a valid reason for disregarding evidence.Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: You are quite the critical one, aren't you. I am a living example of "no". Give us an example of "no".Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Coyote writes: Belief overrules evidence when you really, really believe. We have seen quite a few examples of this on these very threads. There is no endless stream of "reallys" needed. Either you believe or you don't. Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
so define "valid"....here better yet, I'll do it:
1: having legal efficacy or force; especially : executed with the proper legal authority and formalities 2 a : well-grounded or justifiable : being at once relevant and meaningful b : logically correct 3 : appropriate to the end in view To one man, evidence may be well grounded yet may not be justifiable,relevant, or meaningful. Neither be it appropriate to the end in view.Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: in matters of belief, my evidence is subjective. Objective evidence regarding belief is best left to stodgy,arrogant Cambridge Professors, in my opinion. Then again, I may just be a sore loser. Evidence is evident, not just to one man but to anybody who looks at it objectively.Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Tangle writes: I already addressed this basic issue here. So put that fear aside for at least ten minutes - what could change your mind? Perhaps I do have a desperation and need to believe---precisely the one thing you lack. Were I to put aside this anxiety for "10 minutes" (as well as my belief itself) my mind would already have changed...for ten minutes at least. Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: Did the Tornado actually happen in The Wizard Of Oz? There are lots of folk that believe that one or more of the Biblical Floods actually happened.Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
In the Bible Story, did the Flood actually happen?
Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Straggler,speaking to Jon writes: It appears that Jon states that he has certain beliefs, irrational though they may be, and that they are likely not the absolute correct actuality given that the actuality is likely greater than human capability of comprehension. So you believe that your beliefs (about God etc.) are "likely all wrong"...? In other words, I believe X as I understand X yet the actual breadth and scope of X is likely beyond what I can understand...thus my answer(my belief) is incomplete at this time.Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: There is a difference--at least in my mind--between being wrong and being incomplete. How is admitting that you can say with a very high degree of certainty that your beliefs are wrong a recipe for cognitive dissonance on steroids? Isn't that why a reasonable person tests a map against reality and does not believe the bridge is there just because the map shows one? Take the belief in GOD, for example. I have a high degree of reasonable belief that GOD exists. I could well be wrong, but since I believe it, (and most certainly because I took a stand on belief versus perpetual uncertainty) my educated guess is over 50% certain that GOD exists. I have reasons. They are personal to me. Perhaps it is irrational of me to assign a percentage to such a question, I dont know. I am more likely leaning towards the idea that my perception, feeling, and logic is incomplete. As I am driving up the "road" the map shows a bridge, but I can only trust my senses,emotions, and feelings. Evidence is not needed because I have driven this road many times, the weather is nice thus there is no logical reason the bridge may be out. Would you not say that my absolute knowledge of whether the bridge is intact is incomplete, rather than "likely wrong"?Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Seems the bridge(between Minnesota & S.Dakota) is indeed there. Good thing I prayed before finding out the hard way. Our arguments are often circular here at EvC. May as well sit back and enjoy the coffee rather than spilling it trying to prove a point. Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I have said all along that what one believes about a God is almost certainly wrong. I am saying that what we say about God or god is almost certainly wrong. I went on to clarify that by pointing out that so far all the gods or Gods we can test have been shown to be wrong. Your theory is only correct if God does not in some way interact with humanity. God is not merely some unknowable Being whom we "test" in regards to our reactions concerning said concept. God is alive.Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Perhaps when He smites some of us it is Him using critical thinking on us. Perhaps natural selection is similar to random smiting.
Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Theodoric writes: The evidence would support your assertion. I think reality is progressively slipping from your grasp.Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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