Where should there be "The right to refuse service"?

Huh? A man hit on the barber's wife. The man came into the barber shop again when the wife wasn't there. You think that's a matter for the police? Thanks. I intend to. As long as the class is not "human", somebody will be excluded. Women used to be excluded. Black people used to be excluded. Gay people are still being excluded.Yes, you can get away with excluding people. Some people also get away with murder. Getting away with it should not be acceptable.

95% is way over the top.

I am using election results as a loose guide. Granted, only about 50% of americans bother to vote, so I am not being very accurate.What percentage would you cite and from what source would you use?

Like letting a barber refrain from cutting your hair because he doesn't want to do it? Especially when they have money. Sure, we were talking about refusing service for good reasons.

Or was this a joke about my hyperbole.

Not in the slightest. You can believe whatever you want.

There's nothing "good" about refusing to do your job for petty reasons. No we're not. We're talking about a barber refusing serice for a petty schoolboy reason.Edited by ringo, : Missed word.

Now that you ask, I am finding that I don't care all that much. For starters, I would not accept any percentage that included people under the age of 13, which would be about 20% of the people. And if all I could say was that the majority of people endorsed something, I would not be claiming much more than the majority of the people I could not eliminate. I suspected as much.

Nor is there good in making someone do their job when they have a good reason not to. I think its a good reason. But then, I'm not the grand arbiter of the goodness of reasons.

"Making" them? We're not talking about shipping them off to the gulag. The most extreme measure I have suggested is not renewing a business license if the proprietor persistently fails to conform to community standards. Suppose the guy who works next to you hit on your (hypothetical) wife one time, a while ago. Would that be a "good reason" for you not to do your job?

"If you don't cut that man's hair then I'm revoking your business license". This is the first I've heard of persistence...But the community standard allows for him to refuse in this case. There are people that I avoid doing my job for simply because I don't like them. I suppose I'm not a good person in that regard.

Ringo, let me suggest that your position is largely incomprehensible.You say that someone hitting on my wife is a trivial matter and results from my thinking I own my wife. But then you suggest that if it happened in my presence it would be okay to accidentally cut off the man's ear.Why should it even matter whether the act happened in my presence of if instead my wife told me about it? Why once this non-event happens the second time can I physically assault the customer on the sly?Okay, so both CS and I spot you the difference of opinion on whether the act was trivial.Then despite CS agreeing to disagree on whether the particular incident was trivial, you pose a completely different scenario in which the person in question is not a proprietor and ask if the person is going to do his job for some other non-involved party.An employee not doing is job does not address the rude co-worker, so of what relevance is your question? That would be equivalent to the barber refusing to cut some new customers hair. If instead, the rude person was the employee's boss, then perhaps the act would change the way that person viewed his employer. Might be a reason to change jobs, or it might not.

The same line I would draw between pedophiles and nonpedophiles. Homosexuality is a sin and a deviation from normality. To treat it as a special class that deserves social benefits is insane. To protect them from harm because they are often made targets makes sense, but to extend marriage to them is insane.But that's fine, for this belief I am "discriminating" and that's a no-no, so your new fascist definitions marginalize Christians and will punish us for acting on God's law in refusing to recognize gay marriages, cater to gay weddings etc etc etc. So that's the way it's going and the fascist minds at EvC think it's just fine, you've all made it quite clear that Christians are the most hated people in the west these days (I'm glad at least some of you will rally to the cause of persecuted Christians elsewhere in the world though). Oh the "liberal" Christians are fine with you of course, they don't mind violating God's laws, they'll happily make a wedding cake for a gay couple, and they'll join you in hating us "fundies" too. Hey, nothing could be clearer.Dietrich Bonhoeffer said the true gospel could be phrased "Come to Christ and die," and of course he was right. You can die many different ways. Being hated by nonChristians is one of the ways, then that hatred gets enshrined by the fascist state and there you go. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Do you people stay up nights thinking up ways to twist my words? Belief isn't belief until it's acted upon.

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The same line I would draw between pedophiles and nonpedophiles. Homosexuality is a sin and a deviation from normality.
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I dunno Faith, I've read an re-read this and once I got passed wanting to call you some very bad names I was left with nothing to say except that by the standards of your own book, you're going to hell.You ought to read the thing sometime. I recommend the bits about being nice to people - you'll find quite a lot of them. Try this:"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."