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Author Topic:   GMOs = The Smart Future of Food
New Cat's Eye
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Message 33 of 84 (725283)
04-25-2014 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Omnivorous
04-25-2014 12:15 AM


The position of the FDA, unless things have changed recently, is that no one can label a food product non-GMO
I kinda get that. Like, if I came out with a new brand of hamburger and gave it an official label of "Does not contain horse shit", then doesn't that insinuate to the consumer that other brands of hamburger might contain horse shit?
Also, how exactly should GMO be defined. Are bananas genetically modified organisms? I'd say they are. All-natural bananas are seedy crap and the wonderful ones in the supermarket are clones of bred ones.
Is it different because it was done out in the field instead of in the lab? If you brought a bench and some beakers out to the field, would it then be a lab? Or does the means not define the end?

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Message 36 of 84 (725290)
04-25-2014 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by NoNukes
04-25-2014 12:07 PM


The difference would be that "does contain genetically modified foods" is not supposed to be a negative, or at least that is what Monsanto and crew are telling us. Would you have the same problem with me labeling food "does not contain peanuts".
I would not. The negativity is one of the issues. Labeling something as non-GMO implies that other foods do contain GMO's and that its a bad thing.
Then, everyone who doesn't have GMO's in their food would have to jump on the bandwagon and get the label and I'm not sure that's a good thing.
Sigh. If your point is that GMO food is as safe as bananas, okay, opinion noted. But please at least look at the dictionary definition. You are asking questions you could have answered yourself in < 15 seconds using a C-64 on a slow network.
What I'm asking is does the means qualify the end, i.e. does manipulating the genome through phenotypic selection rather than direct meddling really matter?
At the end of the day, everything we eat has had its genetics modified. It just hasn't been done in the lab. But so what? What makes it happening in the lab such a bad thing?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 39 of 84 (725300)
04-25-2014 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by NoNukes
04-25-2014 12:42 PM


They pretty much all do contain GMO.
What are the more common organisms that foods contain that are genetically modified? Corn syrup I guess? I honestly don't know much about this topic. I'm here to learn.
And it does not seem to be the people who make GMO free food that are complaining about having to label.
I'd bet people who put a lot of effort into ensuring their products contain no GMO's would want to advertise that.
But I think there'd be others who unintentionally have GMO-free products, and its not really fair to them to have to jump through some hoops to prove that their products don't have them just so they're not stigmatized for not having the label.
The complaint is that earning the label would require too much effort and money because right now, they don't have to segregate.
I don't think I understand what you're saying. Monsanto is saying that? Who is the they that doesn't have to segregate? And are they physically segregating GMO foods from non-ones?
If you have some insight into why it could not possibly matter, that insight would be really beneficial.
Oh, it certainly could matter. I mean, I'm sure you could genetically modify a food so that it became poisonous.
But don't foods have to be shown to be safe to eat before you can sell them as food? If there are GMO foods that have been shown to be safe, then they, specifically, don't deserve to be stigmatized.
I'm not sure that there's any truth to the general opinion that if a food contains a GMO then it is in some way bad for you. It all depends on what the modification is and how it affects you. But I figure that would be figured out when you make sure the stuff is safe to eat, although I don't really know how that works.
On the other hand, if you don't believe it matters, why do you care if the food you buy must be presumed to be GMO?
I don't care. It makes sense to me that food makers wouldn't want to have to deal with the non-GMO labelling, though.

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Message 45 of 84 (725314)
04-25-2014 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by NoNukes
04-25-2014 3:27 PM


The stated reason is that it would make things worse for their customers food industry which would then have to take measures to segregate non-GMO from GMO if they want to label.
I see, yeah, and the way T12C details it, it does sound like a pain in the ass.
If I want non-GMO food, I don't appreciate someone else's efforts to stop me from getting it. Requiring GMO labeling is one thing, but not allowing someone else a non-GMO label is something else entirely.
I'm not advocating disallowing people to put anything on their products (as long as its true). I just don't think we should have some official regulated GMO-free label like we have for certified organic. And I certainly don't think that foods that contain GMO's should be forced to disclose that on their labeling.

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Message 46 of 84 (725315)
04-25-2014 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Tempe 12ft Chicken
04-25-2014 3:13 PM


Thanks for the info. I can't really find anything to disagree with.
Regarding that meme you linked to, you can right-click in Chrome to get the direct image url (either copied or opened in a new tab)

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