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Stile
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Message 56 of 82 (720250)
02-21-2014 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by dadman
02-20-2014 7:00 PM


Re: The Manifesto
dadman writes:
There will be in the tribulation period a great apostate ecclesiastical system headed up under a powerful religious leader .. drawing after it thousands of deluded worshippers .. who in reality are worshipping the devil and the beast ..
That sounds a lot like your version of "being a child of God" and "just following scripture."
I've heard of thousands of deluded worshippers saying the same thing.
It most certainly is a great apostate ecclesiastical system.
Although, in reality, they are not worshipping the devil and the beast... but that's more of a technicality because those things don't exist. No one, in reality, is worshipping the devil and the beast.
So, what's the difference between your claimed style of worship and the Catholic claimed style of worship that makes you think they are providing the false prophet and not you?

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Stile
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Message 59 of 82 (720303)
02-21-2014 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by dadman
02-21-2014 11:51 AM


Re: only one body of Christ
dadman writes:
because the actual body of Christ has no pope / human leader (substitute) as does the one-world-religion
Your theology has no human leader?
You don't have a Pastor/Preacher/Priest/Deacon/Leader at your church?
Or are you saying you don't go to any church?
If, indeed, you do not have any ceremonies where there is a leader... wouldn't you, yourself be the leader of your own ideas?
Edited by Stile, : "O" I wish I were an Oscar Meyer weiner...

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Stile
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Message 74 of 82 (720490)
02-24-2014 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by dadman
02-21-2014 7:15 PM


Re: only one body of Christ
dadman writes:
because the actual body of Christ has no pope / human leader (substitute) as does the one-world-religion
Stile writes:
Your theology has no human leader?
really ?? .. do you not realize what the pope is to the catholic church ??
Of course I do.
That's why I didn't ask you about who the human leader is for the Catholic Church, it's the Pope.
I asked whether or not your theology has a human leader.
Well, does it?
If you're trying to say that the human leader for the Catholic Church is "a larger scope" than the human leader for your theology... I would agree.
I would also point out that you still both have leaders. In which case... neither of you are the "actual body of Christ" according to your own statements. Sort of a "take the beam out of your own eye first" kind of lesson.

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Stile
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Message 76 of 82 (720504)
02-24-2014 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Faith
02-24-2014 12:32 PM


Re: only one body of Christ
Faith writes:
Ministers are not leaders in the sense that the Pope is considered to be a leader, but that sense is a sense in which he is usurping the role of Jesus Christ as head of the Church.
But, if we look at things, we don't see this at all.
The Pope isn't considered to be a leader in the sense that he is usurping the role of Jesus Christ as head of the Church.
So... you're simply mistaken.
Looking at things further... you seem to treat your Ministers in exactly the same way that Catholics treat their Pope.
That is... you respect their authority on how scripture is interpreted.
Neither of you take that authority at face value.
Both of you question and debate that authority in an ongoing, respectful manner.
It seems to me that if you (and dadman?) have an issue with how the Catholic's treat the Pope... you should really have the same issue with how you treat your own Ministers.

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Stile
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Message 78 of 82 (720506)
02-24-2014 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Faith
02-24-2014 1:32 PM


Re: only one body of Christ
Faith writes:
First, no minister's interpretation of the Bible is regarded as infallible by anyone, although the Pope claims infallibility for himself.
Yes. It has happened. Does it happen all the time? No.
Have ministers claimed themselves as infallible ("my way or the highway")? Of course they have. Some almost every day. All the time? No.
Again... looks the same to me.
In any case It's not about how the people treat the leader, it's about the attributes ascribed to the leader by the church's doctrine...
What? No, that's not what it's about.
That's what you want to make it about because you think it adds credence to your conclusion.
What it's about is how things actually are.
How things actually are is how people treat the leader, and how the leader treats the people.
It shouldn't be too hard to find Catholic doctrine officially spelling out these things. I'll eventually have to track it all down.
Why track it down? Who cares what's written in what doctrine as long as both Popes and Ministers are doing the same thing?
Are you trying to say that acting infallible is fine as long as you don't be honest about it and write it down? How strange.

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