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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3132 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
hierarchy of GENETIC superiority he was implying. What does that mean? Science doesn't recognize one organism being "higher" than another or more evolved than another. Bacteria have evolved for millennia just as humans have.
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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3132 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
Whites are civilized because we're genetically superior is the implication, and the "savage" races never got civilized because they are inherently genetically inferior. THAT's what I meant. No where does Darwin say or imply that. You are reading what you want to read into it. Darwin is making an observed fact that more civilized humans have displaced and caused the depletion of less civilized human beings. And that at some future point, many of these less civilized populations of people and/or races may go extinct. That is a historical fact. Several know "races" or subtypes of humans have died out due to more civilized people eradicating and displacing them. Again read what Darwin wrote:
At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. By "savage", he means less civilized. This is a known observable fact. He is not judging these people. But again, so what? What role does this have on modern biology. Darwin wrote these books over 160 years ago. This is like judging modern medicine by the views of Hippocrates."It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World "In coming to understand anything we are rejecting the facts as they are for us in favour of the facts as they are. - C.S. Lewis, An Experiment in Criticism
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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3132 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
Unfortunately it looks like Darwin did have such a hierarchy in mind. You have no idea what he had in mind, because you choose to ignore the facts or read his words in context. Sorry, got to go to bed, have church tomorrow. You really do need to stop manipulating and interpreting what you read to match them up to what you want them to say. Good night Faith. Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given."It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World "In coming to understand anything we are rejecting the facts as they are for us in favour of the facts as they are. - C.S. Lewis, An Experiment in Criticism
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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3132 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
Who really teaches that blacks are inferior to whites? Christianity! Actually to be technical that would be Judaism, but even so that is a misapplication of a Biblical story. That is the whole problem with the Bible or any religious text. People can apply it to anything they want from genocide to slavery (same is true for Islam and other religions or even non-religious movements). Discernment and wisdom is the key here. Just as reading any form of non-fiction. You have to choose what is applicable and why. This issue with Sodom and Gomorrah had more to do than just homosexuality. Of course I am more skeptical of the accuracy of earlier books of the Bible than later books. But than again I am not a literalistic. Ok really, really have to go to bed now. Good night."It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World "In coming to understand anything we are rejecting the facts as they are for us in favour of the facts as they are. - C.S. Lewis, An Experiment in Criticism
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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3132 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
What is this, a scene from Blazing Saddles?: Great movie, very politically incorrect for today however. One of the best ways of ridding society of racism and stereotyping is through ridicule and comedy aka SNL, Late Night comedy, etc.
Besides, since when have Christians ever listened to Jews? Nu? There are still some of us out there. Besides, my brother in law is Jewish.
Iwhich the Jewish owner of this sketch remarks that Christians have no idea how to interpret Scripture properly. 'Nuff said? Very true statement. Many Christians are oblivious to how to translate Scripture accurately. If you ask most of them what exegesis is, they would look at you funny. Many Christians do not realize that the Jews have tons of rabbinical writings explaining how the OT should be interpreted. Basically these are Jewish commentaries of the OT, i.e. the Talmud, Midrash, etc."It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World "In coming to understand anything we are rejecting the facts as they are for us in favour of the facts as they are. - C.S. Lewis, An Experiment in Criticism
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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3132 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
Wow, never heard of this guy before and I lived in Johnson City, TN when I went to college. It does not surprise me though that there is a racist pastor in this area of the country.
Watching a video of him on YouTube, this guy doesn't open the Bible once. He glorifies a so-called -prophet over the Christian gospel. Most Christians would denounce this "pastor" and consider this a cult. BTW, I am not discounting anything you say Hooah, just saying that this man does not speak for the majority of Christians out there. He is definitely one of the most racist pastors I have heard, and I have heard a few. Though there are worst. My father, a one-time part-time minister told off the leaders of the church he just preached at in the Florida panhandle, because they ran off a black couple. My Mom grabed us out of Sunday school after my Dad gave them what for and we never went back to that church. There are still some churches like that. However, this is a small and hopefully disappearing fragment of churches. BTW here is the full version of racist Donny Reagan's racist rant:
Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given. Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given. Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given."It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World "In coming to understand anything we are rejecting the facts as they are for us in favour of the facts as they are. - C.S. Lewis, An Experiment in Criticism
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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3132 days) Posts: 1548 Joined:
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As I read this he is saying there is at present not a very wide gap between the negro and the gorilla, You are reading a lot into this. He is saying there is a gap, he does not specify how wide it is, just that in the future, there may be even a wider gap.
and implying another evolutionary gap between the negro and the civilized races, which he hopes [abe:] will come to an end as the civilized races eliminate the savage races and become even more civilized. That's how I read what he wrote. [/abe] He never says anything about "hoping" that the civilized races will eliminate the savage races. He speculates that this may happen in the future based on the observation of the colonization of less civilized cultures in Africa, Australia and other location. He is not providing a justification for this, he is just stating the obvious. That more "civilized", more accurately technologically advanced, cultures displace or exterminate less "civilized" cultures, just as the Europeans did with Native Americans, Africans and Australian Aborigines. Typical spin from you, reading into it what you want it to say. Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given."It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World "In coming to understand anything we are rejecting the facts as they are for us in favour of the facts as they are. - C.S. Lewis, An Experiment in Criticism
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