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Faith 
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Message 347 of 385 (697652)
04-28-2013 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 346 by Alter2Ego
04-28-2013 1:56 PM


Why are you having so much trouble with the simple concept that many here have answered you with in one way or another? Again, Jesus' BODY is not eternal, it had a beginning, at His conception in the womb of Mary, and it died, while His SPIRIT is eternal, pre-existing the body and existing while the body was dead.
Something similar is true of human beings in general although our spirits have a beginning and His didn't: our bodies die but our spirits/souls are going to live on forever -- and our bodies will also ultimately be resurrected as well according to scripture.
You keep insisting on your own definition that has been answered over and over.

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Message 355 of 385 (697781)
04-30-2013 2:43 AM
Reply to: Message 352 by New Cat's Eye
04-29-2013 9:44 AM


An eternal being could become a living being, and then stop being a living one and go back to what it was before. At no point did it have a beginning or an end of its existence, even though its time as a living being had both a beginning or an end.
I think you are a tad confused here. You say it better in your following paragraph where you distinguish between the body and spirit, the spirit being eternal although the body it clothes itself in is not.
But when you speak of an eternal being this way: "its time as a living being" you are mixing things up. God, the only eternal being, IS a living Being, does not need to enter earthly life to become a living being. We speak of "the living God" after all.
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I think we've done this subject to death myself. We'll never convince Alter2Ego but his/her argument has been blown to bits by at least four of us here, there's no point in continuing.
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He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.
2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...

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Message 356 of 385 (697782)
04-30-2013 2:47 AM
Reply to: Message 354 by Alter2Ego
04-30-2013 2:09 AM


Alter, the answer to you is that a "being" is not the simple single unit you keep insisting on, as the "eternal being" made flesh, that is the Son of God, has both spirit and body just like human beings, a body which is mortal and dies, a spirit which lives forever, and in the case of the Son of God having no beginning or end.
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He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.
2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...

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Message 377 of 385 (703741)
07-29-2013 4:31 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Faith
04-08-2013 2:33 AM


The Trinity for Eliyahu
Eliyahu has just proposed a new thread on the subject of the Trinity, but since the subject was discussed fairly recently here there's really no need for a new thread on the subject.
This thread was started by a Jehovah's Witness who is as concerned to argue that the Trinity is unbiblical as you are.
You can find my answer to this challenge in Message 20 of this thread, and in a lengthy study at Blue Letter Bible, here.
This is one of the few subjects that can only be answered by a list of scriptures that is too long to reproduce in a post. Here is a list of the topics covered in the outline:
An Outline Study
i.There Is One God
ii.This God is Known In The OT As Jehovah/Yahweh ("The Lord")
iii.God Is A Unique, Incomprehensible Being
iv.Is God One Person?
v.The Father Of Jesus Christ Is God
vi.Jesus Christ Is God
vii.The Holy Spirit Is God
viii.The Father, Son, And Holy Spirit Are Distinct Persons
ix.Conclusion
x.What Difference Does The Doctrine Of The Trinity Make?
So he starts of course with the scriptures that affirm that God is One. The Trinity is revealed by the other scriptures that describe the Messiah as God and Jesus Christ as God, the Holy Spirit as God etc.
So if you will consider this honestly you can see that the Trinity is definitely Biblical.
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Message 380 of 385 (708718)
10-12-2013 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 379 by Alter2Ego
10-12-2013 5:58 PM


Again you confuse the Persons with the One God, the typical mistake Jehovah's Witnesses make.

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Message 381 of 385 (708723)
10-13-2013 1:04 AM
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10-12-2013 6:03 PM


Just happened to hear three really inspiring programs on Christian radio, one after the other, on a station that can be heard over the internet.
Two of the programs were on the history of heresies in the Church. Tomorrow all three will be repeated but not at the same times as today. They are all listed on the program for Pacific time so you have to convert to your time if you want to hear them.
Page not found | Pilgrim Radio
The programs are listed in the left margin.
Phil Johnson of John MacArthur's Masters College on heresis in the 19th century, will be repeated tomorrow: Sun. 8am, 10pm PACIFIC TIME (noon Eastern...)
R C Sproul on the 5th century heresy of Monophysitism which confounds the two natures of Christ. Last week he covered Arianism, which is the heresy of the Jehovah's Witnesses, so the timing is wrong for hearing that, but Monophysitism is also a JW heresy, so I thought Alter might be interested.
To be repeated tomorrow: Sun. 1pm, 9pm PACIFIC TIME
The third program I happened to hear was Ravi Zacharias Sun. 1:30pm, 9:30pm PACIFIC TIME. Right after Sproul.
Page not found | Pilgrim Radio
The programs are listed in the left margin.
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